Message from @Throttles
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I guess what is considered "liberal" has shifted that far
That's what most modern day American conservatives are
Trump is at heart a fascist
How are you defining fascist here?
based on what though all you are doing is calling people names again
everything's shifted and it doesn't make sense
With Gentile's fascism most people can be fascist
I don’t think that’s quite accurate
oh my God it's God
That is, it’s too narrow and doesn’t take context appropriately
“Fascist, racist” you people are broken records for years
people ask what she means and she can't even say it
...right I mean these labels concretely and definitively, not as insults
just keep pedantically correcting people
So fascism is an authoritarian outcropping of conservatism
One sec, I’ll delve into that
"he's a fascist according to my own personal understanding of fascism lol"
"you guys are so dumb"
“And i mean that concretely and definitely”
A sort of communal recognition of the value of our human condition as the actor in achieving something. Basically it's a way to find a binding agent for us, and in my view that binding agent is culture, nationality, race, etc. But for maybe another person, it could be the human species as a whole. < fascism in my view
Those are just political schools of fascism. I don't think people understand the fact that America was created on classical liberalism, that's literally its core. Trump, being prideful in being an American, abides by the constitution and protects what classical liberalism strives for; freedom.
And yes, that does mean protecting the rights of speech for fringe groups.
They're literally rallying against conservative groups who are classical liberals.
Not the alt-right.
Antifa's tactics of calling people 'nazi' will eventually make that person more aggressive against them because of counter culture.
Even Karl Popper who came up with the "paradox of tolerance" that leftists like to use, said that one should debate with fringe groups, not shut them out completely with violence.
What if that’s a calculated response
Like “if we behave in X terrible fashion people will retaliate in a way we can predict”
Idk might be
So I think that definition is basically accurate, but lacks the authoritarian aspect and how it arises
I’ll quote the OED here- admittedly dictionaries are not the end all be all, but AI think this is a good starting place
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
Now I think what you said about trump is a non sequitur
Trump has very little respect for the constitution, he has repeatedly seen checks and balances as unnecessary fetters on executive power
He recently said “I control the hatch act”
Which is as close as any American President has gotten to *l’etat c’est moi*
But historically, fascism has arisen only from conservative movements, basically as a populist entry to conservatism that then swallows its parent
The evolution basically being: institutions are the sacrosanct protectors of society > institutional influence needs to be expanded to combat societal deviance > even the institutions are corrupted, they need to be torn down
Trump’s railing against the deep state is very much in line with that last rhetorical step, and is reminiscent of Hitler and Mussolini’s attacks on (and ultimately dismantling of) the apolitical government institutions, military institutions and the press
Fascism was not a conservative movement
You fucking retard
supremacy of one national or ethnic group: blacks
a contempt for democracy: Trump won, get over it
an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader: Obama lol
a strong demagogic approach: clinton and bush family demagogs