Message from @Zandu
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Yeah yeah I'm good
just getting back into my servers
nice, had to take a break?
ngl what you were saying about fascism goes over my head
for something I supposedly am I know very little about it
No no my old account got disabled
oh rats
Fascism is basically Giovanni Gentile's idea
and the best book you'll find for that is The Theory of Mind as Pure Act, his book on it. It's the political application of his "actual idealism".
I see
why do you think people call trump a fascist?
I think calling people a label instead of making a real assessment is kind of a cop-out
labels ruin everything
many of them are just buzzwords now
well yeah it's lost all meaning anymore... "racist" or "nazi" amounts to about as much as "they disagreed with one thing I said"
Blanketing people as being that is typically very lazy and doesn't do anything to further debate, regardless of whether you agree with a person's position or heavily disagree
When I debated holocaust deniers for instance I don't just say "fuck you you're an anti-semite", I deconstruct their arguments and explain my argument regarding the validity of their claims. Using swears and insults and whatnot doesn't further anything or persuade people to change their views, all it does is worsen the situation
Surprisingly the holocaust deniers i debated against were relatively civil
denying it even happened or do they just think the numbers were exaggerated
I've heard some of the arguments in passing... I don't blame people for wanting to investigate it further to be frank
I don't think questioning that or anything in particular is wrong per se, but from my experience it's typically coincided with people wanting to use it as a justification to allow a holocaust to occur today or just a general form of anti-semitism.
i've heard both, but the people i actively debated denied it altogether.
I see... I have purely theological contentions with antisemitism
but that's for the other channel I suppose
I think fascism can be defined a bit more broadly
And predates gentile
Lool people who call trump fascist are stupid
Trump is literally a classical liberal
Thaaaats a pretty crazy idea
I guess what is considered "liberal" has shifted that far
That's what most modern day American conservatives are
Trump is at heart a fascist
How are you defining fascist here?
based on what though all you are doing is calling people names again
everything's shifted and it doesn't make sense
With Gentile's fascism most people can be fascist
I don’t think that’s quite accurate
oh my God it's God
That is, it’s too narrow and doesn’t take context appropriately
“Fascist, racist” you people are broken records for years