Message from @Throttles

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2019-10-24 21:12:15 UTC  

many of them are just buzzwords now

2019-10-24 21:14:34 UTC  

well yeah it's lost all meaning anymore... "racist" or "nazi" amounts to about as much as "they disagreed with one thing I said"

2019-10-24 21:16:39 UTC  

Blanketing people as being that is typically very lazy and doesn't do anything to further debate, regardless of whether you agree with a person's position or heavily disagree

2019-10-24 21:19:00 UTC  

When I debated holocaust deniers for instance I don't just say "fuck you you're an anti-semite", I deconstruct their arguments and explain my argument regarding the validity of their claims. Using swears and insults and whatnot doesn't further anything or persuade people to change their views, all it does is worsen the situation

2019-10-24 21:19:33 UTC  

Surprisingly the holocaust deniers i debated against were relatively civil

2019-10-24 21:20:14 UTC  

denying it even happened or do they just think the numbers were exaggerated

2019-10-24 21:20:40 UTC  

I've heard some of the arguments in passing... I don't blame people for wanting to investigate it further to be frank

2019-10-24 21:20:55 UTC  

"what is this weapon that was used to kill millions of people, how did its design work"

2019-10-24 21:23:16 UTC  

I don't think questioning that or anything in particular is wrong per se, but from my experience it's typically coincided with people wanting to use it as a justification to allow a holocaust to occur today or just a general form of anti-semitism.

2019-10-24 21:23:36 UTC  

i've heard both, but the people i actively debated denied it altogether.

2019-10-24 21:23:55 UTC  

I see... I have purely theological contentions with antisemitism

2019-10-24 21:24:53 UTC  

but that's for the other channel I suppose

2019-10-24 21:26:40 UTC  

I think fascism can be defined a bit more broadly

2019-10-24 21:26:45 UTC  

And predates gentile

2019-10-24 21:27:03 UTC  

Lool people who call trump fascist are stupid

2019-10-24 21:27:11 UTC  

Trump is literally a classical liberal

2019-10-24 21:27:22 UTC  

Thaaaats a pretty crazy idea

2019-10-24 21:27:24 UTC  

I guess what is considered "liberal" has shifted that far

2019-10-24 21:27:24 UTC  

That's what most modern day American conservatives are

2019-10-24 21:27:31 UTC  

Trump is at heart a fascist

2019-10-24 21:27:42 UTC  

How are you defining fascist here?

2019-10-24 21:27:43 UTC  

based on what though all you are doing is calling people names again

2019-10-24 21:27:47 UTC  

everything's shifted and it doesn't make sense

2019-10-24 21:28:02 UTC  

With Gentile's fascism most people can be fascist

2019-10-24 21:28:23 UTC  

I don’t think that’s quite accurate

2019-10-24 21:28:35 UTC  

oh my God it's God

2019-10-24 21:28:36 UTC  

That is, it’s too narrow and doesn’t take context appropriately

2019-10-24 21:28:44 UTC  

“Fascist, racist” you people are broken records for years

2019-10-24 21:29:19 UTC  

people ask what she means and she can't even say it

2019-10-24 21:29:24 UTC  

...right I mean these labels concretely and definitively, not as insults

2019-10-24 21:29:24 UTC  

just keep pedantically correcting people

2019-10-24 21:29:48 UTC  

So fascism is an authoritarian outcropping of conservatism

2019-10-24 21:29:58 UTC  

One sec, I’ll delve into that

2019-10-24 21:30:17 UTC  

"he's a fascist according to my own personal understanding of fascism lol"

2019-10-24 21:30:20 UTC  

"you guys are so dumb"

2019-10-24 21:31:49 UTC  

“And i mean that concretely and definitely”

2019-10-24 21:32:59 UTC  

A sort of communal recognition of the value of our human condition as the actor in achieving something. Basically it's a way to find a binding agent for us, and in my view that binding agent is culture, nationality, race, etc. But for maybe another person, it could be the human species as a whole. < fascism in my view

Those are just political schools of fascism. I don't think people understand the fact that America was created on classical liberalism, that's literally its core. Trump, being prideful in being an American, abides by the constitution and protects what classical liberalism strives for; freedom.

And yes, that does mean protecting the rights of speech for fringe groups.

2019-10-24 21:34:00 UTC  

This is what Antifa don't understand.

2019-10-24 21:34:14 UTC  

They're literally rallying against conservative groups who are classical liberals.

2019-10-24 21:34:18 UTC  

Not the alt-right.

2019-10-24 21:35:42 UTC  

Antifa's tactics of calling people 'nazi' will eventually make that person more aggressive against them because of counter culture.