having private property adversely affects the community in a similar way

owning industry affects other people in a way having private property wouldn't

no it doesn't

not at all

possessing something deprives it of the community

industry supplies things to people and is the way people get the things they need

private property is mostly a product of industry

possessing anything necessarily deprives the community of its ownership

not if there's enough of that resource lol

but industry is different because it supplies people with that stuff in the first place

so it necessarily affects more people than one's individual property

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affects MORE people, but that doesnt change the principle of it

If you own a jacket, you're depriving the community of a jacket

Thus, you're depriving the community of its ability to keep itself warm

it does effect the princple of it because you can produce your own private property and it can literally affect no one

Sure, thats on a smaller scale than the MEANS OF PRODUCTION but I think the principle is at least similar if not the same

industry necessarily affects everyone

in the community

private property does nothing of the sort

if someone uses private property against the interests of the people than they should have it confiscated or more should happen to them

but you have a right to private property in a different way than you have a right to industry because the industry necessarily affects others

industry is basically in the public realm whether or not it's owned by private individuals, that's not the case with private property in every case

private property affects the community

Once again, if you own anything, you're depriving the community of that

Not if you produce it yourself

no, still deprivation

you arent letting the community have it

that's not deprivation that's witholding your product from others

i'm not saying people have a right to their stuff i'm saying that an individual doesn't necessarily have the inherent right to the industry they control

deprivation is withholding

i don't even have a problem with having formal ownership being with an individual you just have to realize that it's not like private property where you're the one that rightfully owns the product via a mutual transaction or self-production of the product

People have the natural right to keep what's actually, inherently, *theirs* but industry isn't something they actually own

So the comparison falls apart

can you own an axe?

thats a means of production

at what point does it cross the line into where private property is inapplicable

It's totally applicable

industry is stuff like retail or manufacturing or something like that

stuff that takes up space is what i'm talking about

actual industry