industry necessarily affects everyone

in the community

private property does nothing of the sort

if someone uses private property against the interests of the people than they should have it confiscated or more should happen to them

but you have a right to private property in a different way than you have a right to industry because the industry necessarily affects others

industry is basically in the public realm whether or not it's owned by private individuals, that's not the case with private property in every case

private property affects the community

Once again, if you own anything, you're depriving the community of that

Not if you produce it yourself

no, still deprivation

you arent letting the community have it

that's not deprivation that's witholding your product from others

i'm not saying people have a right to their stuff i'm saying that an individual doesn't necessarily have the inherent right to the industry they control

deprivation is withholding

i don't even have a problem with having formal ownership being with an individual you just have to realize that it's not like private property where you're the one that rightfully owns the product via a mutual transaction or self-production of the product

People have the natural right to keep what's actually, inherently, *theirs* but industry isn't something they actually own

So the comparison falls apart

can you own an axe?

thats a means of production

at what point does it cross the line into where private property is inapplicable

It's totally applicable

industry is stuff like retail or manufacturing or something like that

stuff that takes up space is what i'm talking about

actual industry

an axe can produce stuff but it doesn't take up land that doesn't belong to one person in particular

plus idrc if people formally own the means of production or not, that's just a formality

I really cant disagree with you but I cant agree with you, Im going to need a while to digest this, but I appreciate the food for my thought

np

good convo

Have you ever read anything by Hernando de Soto? The Peruvian economist, not the Spanish conquistador

He argues that countries that allow for private ownership of the the means of production are generally wealthier overall, and traces examples in South America and Africa of countries expanding their property rights and seeing economic growth as a result

religion is shit

end of sentence and being in this channel.

Why is religion shit?

many reasons but the first being the ignorant people who follow it thinking they are above the world.

Doesn't the same apply to atheists?

No because we dont construct palaces because of it

We sit in our basement making podcasts

Facts

GG @Khaine, you just advanced to level 2!

No because I don't go around telling everyone to be an atheist or acting like I'm above others