Message from @Sauropithicus
Discord ID: 677759169063026688
possessing something deprives it of the community
industry supplies things to people and is the way people get the things they need
private property is mostly a product of industry
possessing anything necessarily deprives the community of its ownership
not if there's enough of that resource lol
but industry is different because it supplies people with that stuff in the first place
so it necessarily affects more people than one's individual property
GG @Deleted User, you just advanced to level 7!
affects MORE people, but that doesnt change the principle of it
If you own a jacket, you're depriving the community of a jacket
Thus, you're depriving the community of its ability to keep itself warm
it does effect the princple of it because you can produce your own private property and it can literally affect no one
Sure, thats on a smaller scale than the MEANS OF PRODUCTION but I think the principle is at least similar if not the same
industry necessarily affects everyone
in the community
private property does nothing of the sort
if someone uses private property against the interests of the people than they should have it confiscated or more should happen to them
but you have a right to private property in a different way than you have a right to industry because the industry necessarily affects others
industry is basically in the public realm whether or not it's owned by private individuals, that's not the case with private property in every case
private property affects the community
Not if you produce it yourself
no, still deprivation
you arent letting the community have it
that's not deprivation that's witholding your product from others
i'm not saying people have a right to their stuff i'm saying that an individual doesn't necessarily have the inherent right to the industry they control
deprivation is withholding
i don't even have a problem with having formal ownership being with an individual you just have to realize that it's not like private property where you're the one that rightfully owns the product via a mutual transaction or self-production of the product
People have the natural right to keep what's actually, inherently, *theirs* but industry isn't something they actually own
So the comparison falls apart
can you own an axe?
thats a means of production
at what point does it cross the line into where private property is inapplicable
It's totally applicable
industry is stuff like retail or manufacturing or something like that
stuff that takes up space is what i'm talking about
actual industry
an axe can produce stuff but it doesn't take up land that doesn't belong to one person in particular
plus idrc if people formally own the means of production or not, that's just a formality
I really cant disagree with you but I cant agree with you, Im going to need a while to digest this, but I appreciate the food for my thought
np