Message from @Dr.Wol
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that didn't magically make the workers fulfil the female roles in those households
a lords daughter didn't look at the maids and think "damn, thats my life soon"
No, her life was focused solely on child raising because her husband would likely be someone who could pay for servants to do the tasks she’d normally be expect to take care of. This way she could dedicate herself 100% to the kids which would, in theory, mean the kids turned out superior
exactly
that means that cleaning isn't the traditional female role as i've said
Except it would be expected of her should she not be able to afford to pay someone else to do it
the traditional female role is to entertain, to raise, to teach them to behave and be polite, manners
And the male role is to teach them to be a rock, to bear the brunt and to protect his own
that expectation is placed by society
A good household is clean and well adjusted
If the man works, then its only fair the woman works too, and since she needs to be at home around the kid, she has to work at home, and since there was no major internet businesses etc, most work to do at home was clean/weave clothes and cook
but that only proves my point that if a person doesn't have to do either, they can focus on the kid and be both a strong parental figure, and a nurturing one
which would solidify that if theres a "null" gender there should also be its opposite "omni" gender
I mean it’s almost as if traditional gender roles are basically dead in modern society
they're not
It’s just a vocal minority saying they are.
They kinda are. There’s no more societal expectations on who’s the provider, who raises children, ect
unless you force quotas, gender roles are very alive in modern society
Its what currently causes this argument for the "wage" gap
the modern traditional roles are still taht women pick nurturing jobs
Now it’s you do you
We have forced quotas lol
Wtf do you think all these diversity officers in big corporations are for
i mean forced quotas as in "force women to study STEM"
that once a woman graduates highschool, they have no choice, they must go to STEM and then go work
so that STEM becomes 50/50
they mostly want nurturing jobs, like vet, nurse, caregiver etc
you don't see many women doing construction work, or work on some oil rig
theres no quotas for those jobs either
Gender roles pretty much moved from:
Hard Work and Nurturing Home
To
Hard Work and Nurturing Work
Wouldn’t that then mean you can’t do both? Unless there’s a job out there that would be hard&nurturing work
You can do both
gender roles aren't an absolute
Joan of Arc wasn't confined to being a maid back in 1430
Just like women now aren't confined to nuturing work
hard work is not exactly the right word i don't think
If you’re saying we’ve evolved to the point where the male role would be something like physical labor on an oil rig, and the female role is now nurturing work like being a nurse
How do you fit both roles?
i would say physical but tech isn't very physical and nurturing can be very physical. There is a word to describe what you mean but hard is not it
Soldier 😛
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battlefield medic would fill both
i mean hard as in the jobs that really require yuo to just hardball it
You can't just go "eeh i don't wanna, i don't feel my best today"
So anything from oil rigs to kicking everyones teeth in financially on wallstreet
ICU nurse.
or ofc, being a soldier on the frontlines
@Dr.Wol what? you think a parent or nurse can just go "eeeeh, i don't feel like **feeding the kid today**"
lmao