Message from @Deller

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2018-03-24 14:49:08 UTC  

The traditional American female role as always been the homekeeper. This was everything from child raising, to household chores such as laundry, cooking, & cleaning

2018-03-24 14:49:32 UTC  

for the reasons i said above

2018-03-24 14:49:35 UTC  

Being a home keeper was a full time job before modern technology

2018-03-24 14:49:44 UTC  

waht if you're a millionaire, or a lord?

The lady of the house didn't clean either

2018-03-24 14:49:48 UTC  

Now work isn’t always manual labour that requires you to be outside the house so men can also have more time to clean or raise kids.

2018-03-24 14:49:56 UTC  

you'd have workers do it

2018-03-24 14:50:07 UTC  

that didn't magically make the workers fulfil the female roles in those households

2018-03-24 14:50:44 UTC  

a lords daughter didn't look at the maids and think "damn, thats my life soon"

2018-03-24 14:52:49 UTC  

No, her life was focused solely on child raising because her husband would likely be someone who could pay for servants to do the tasks she’d normally be expect to take care of. This way she could dedicate herself 100% to the kids which would, in theory, mean the kids turned out superior

2018-03-24 14:53:17 UTC  

exactly

that means that cleaning isn't the traditional female role as i've said

2018-03-24 14:53:59 UTC  

Except it would be expected of her should she not be able to afford to pay someone else to do it

2018-03-24 14:54:09 UTC  

the traditional female role is to entertain, to raise, to teach them to behave and be polite, manners

And the male role is to teach them to be a rock, to bear the brunt and to protect his own

2018-03-24 14:55:46 UTC  

that expectation is placed by society

A good household is clean and well adjusted
If the man works, then its only fair the woman works too, and since she needs to be at home around the kid, she has to work at home, and since there was no major internet businesses etc, most work to do at home was clean/weave clothes and cook

2018-03-24 14:56:51 UTC  

but that only proves my point that if a person doesn't have to do either, they can focus on the kid and be both a strong parental figure, and a nurturing one

2018-03-24 14:57:44 UTC  

which would solidify that if theres a "null" gender there should also be its opposite "omni" gender

2018-03-24 14:57:47 UTC  

I mean it’s almost as if traditional gender roles are basically dead in modern society

2018-03-24 14:57:57 UTC  

they're not

2018-03-24 14:58:32 UTC  

It’s just a vocal minority saying they are.

2018-03-24 14:58:46 UTC  

They kinda are. There’s no more societal expectations on who’s the provider, who raises children, ect

2018-03-24 14:58:50 UTC  

unless you force quotas, gender roles are very alive in modern society

Its what currently causes this argument for the "wage" gap

the modern traditional roles are still taht women pick nurturing jobs

2018-03-24 14:58:51 UTC  

Now it’s you do you

2018-03-24 14:59:04 UTC  

We have forced quotas lol

2018-03-24 14:59:27 UTC  

Wtf do you think all these diversity officers in big corporations are for

2018-03-24 14:59:30 UTC  

i mean forced quotas as in "force women to study STEM"

2018-03-24 14:59:48 UTC  

that once a woman graduates highschool, they have no choice, they must go to STEM and then go work

2018-03-24 15:00:11 UTC  

so that STEM becomes 50/50

2018-03-24 15:00:25 UTC  

because they don't currently simply because of gender roles

Women don't want to do technical jobs

2018-03-24 15:00:57 UTC  

they mostly want nurturing jobs, like vet, nurse, caregiver etc

2018-03-24 15:01:28 UTC  

you don't see many women doing construction work, or work on some oil rig

2018-03-24 15:02:04 UTC  

theres no quotas for those jobs either

2018-03-24 15:03:12 UTC  

Gender roles pretty much moved from:
Hard Work and Nurturing Home

To
Hard Work and Nurturing Work

2018-03-24 15:04:30 UTC  

Wouldn’t that then mean you can’t do both? Unless there’s a job out there that would be hard&nurturing work

2018-03-24 15:04:49 UTC  

You can do both

2018-03-24 15:04:57 UTC  

gender roles aren't an absolute

2018-03-24 15:05:21 UTC  

Joan of Arc wasn't confined to being a maid back in 1430

Just like women now aren't confined to nuturing work

2018-03-24 15:05:31 UTC  

hard work is not exactly the right word i don't think

2018-03-24 15:06:00 UTC  

If you’re saying we’ve evolved to the point where the male role would be something like physical labor on an oil rig, and the female role is now nurturing work like being a nurse

2018-03-24 15:06:10 UTC  

How do you fit both roles?

2018-03-24 15:06:30 UTC  

i would say physical but tech isn't very physical and nurturing can be very physical. There is a word to describe what you mean but hard is not it

2018-03-24 15:06:35 UTC  

Soldier 😛

2018-03-24 15:06:50 UTC  

^