Message from @Grenade123

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2018-06-05 15:27:03 UTC  

my opinion is simply that i think some executive orders are abuse of power while others arnt and that system doesent seem very regulated

2018-06-05 15:27:16 UTC  

cuz i remember there being an Exec Order to ignore immigration procedures for DACA people

2018-06-05 15:27:52 UTC  

oh they are,
Exec orders are technically absolute authority

2018-06-05 15:28:00 UTC  

well they are supposed to be a way for the president to fight back against the congress.

2018-06-05 15:28:08 UTC  

and congress has a way to fight back against the,

2018-06-05 15:28:12 UTC  

checks and balances

2018-06-05 15:28:21 UTC  

i dont think executive orders should be used that way

2018-06-05 15:28:31 UTC  

the way you fight against congress is veto

2018-06-05 15:28:47 UTC  

that requires congress to pass something to start with

2018-06-05 15:28:54 UTC  

executive orders if they are absolute power is just a system that is outside the normal governemnt

2018-06-05 15:28:56 UTC  

you cannot veto a bill that never made it to the floor

2018-06-05 15:29:04 UTC  

that is where exec orders come in

2018-06-05 15:29:22 UTC  

i dont think thats how the power was intended

2018-06-05 15:29:23 UTC  

to get past a party controlling the congress from keeping laws from even getting voted on

2018-06-05 15:29:26 UTC  

Executive Orders are exactly for that reason

They're there so that a President can enforce his view
but can be instantly dismantled by the next president

2018-06-05 15:30:00 UTC  

but the idea is that they aren't written out willey nillilly

2018-06-05 15:30:11 UTC  

only for like very special situations

2018-06-05 15:30:22 UTC  

whats the point of having a congress of 200 people if your just going to have a guy with no limit to how he can undermine it?

2018-06-05 15:30:30 UTC  

there is a limit

2018-06-05 15:30:43 UTC  

the Supreme Court overrides executive orders

2018-06-05 15:30:52 UTC  

yeah, executive orders are not just law

2018-06-05 15:30:52 UTC  

afaik

2018-06-05 15:31:05 UTC  

you can basically ignore them if you really wanted to

2018-06-05 15:31:23 UTC  

well look at that travel ban from those 7 muslim nations

2018-06-05 15:31:38 UTC  

didn't like half of America ignore that? and its currently awaiting SCOTUS final call?

2018-06-05 15:31:54 UTC  

"Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution."

2018-06-05 15:32:29 UTC  

yeah so there cant be an Exec Order to kill all male gingers 😦

2018-06-05 15:32:50 UTC  

but there is already a genocide on the black gingers!

2018-06-05 15:32:51 UTC  

yeah im not worried about that level of abuse

2018-06-05 15:32:59 UTC  

i mean, where are the black gingers?!

2018-06-05 15:33:17 UTC  

oh theres plenty

2018-06-05 15:33:23 UTC  

just reorder the letters in ginger 😉

2018-06-05 15:33:49 UTC  

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2018-06-05 15:33:49 UTC  

my consern is the use of executive orders to basicly do the congress's job for them. which often ends up undermining state govenrments

2018-06-05 15:35:04 UTC  

true, but afaik trump does the opposite in some cases, demanding congress fix it instead of just throwing an Exec order

2018-06-05 15:35:10 UTC  

i think executive orders should be used in responce to problems that will have great consaquences if they arnt adressed quickly and no other branch of the governemnt is as fast as the executive

2018-06-05 15:35:27 UTC  

i think that was their original purpose

2018-06-05 15:35:33 UTC  

"While they do bypass the U.S. Congress and the standard legislative law making process, no part of an executive order may direct the agencies to conduct illegal or unconstitutional activities."

2018-06-05 15:35:47 UTC  

to use it if something needs an instant fix, thats why the Exec orders can be rescinded very easily

2018-06-05 15:35:58 UTC  

Honestly the first problem they did was make executive orders be something with an indefinite time period

2018-06-05 15:36:08 UTC  

if you have to use executive orders in order to undermine congress then it should be obvious that is also what its being used for