no borders + socialism = everyone made worse off, or no change.

Except it all gets lost in the grass.

the problem with socialism is that it is designed to block economic progress.

because being well off is viewed as a problem

unless everyone is as well off as you

unchecked captalistic hierarchies are a bad thing

unchecked socialism is a bad thing

the answer is somewhere in the middle

Circular hierarchies are best hierarchies.

Granade problem with socialism is that ita against human nature

It would only work in truly altruistic society

I think it works just fine in a extremely small populations too.

Basically anything under say 200 people.

Depends

It can

Yeah it can still go horribly wrong too.

It also works in certain internet communities

I'm just saying the only way it can work is small communities.

For example early subtitle maker community was pretty socialist

Hacker spaces are pretty socialist too.

Its because those ppl have another then material motivation that it works

other than material motivation?

I dont think lack of monetary motivation makes something socialist. Value judgements extend beyond fiat currency

The subtitle community had a government that took control of the means of production?

even if we use Marx's endpoint as our metric for socialism

which is to say, even if we're attempting to be the most charitable, and setting the goalpost closest to the situation being described

I was referencing the mentality of from each according to their ability to each according to their need. In hacker spaces it's a social contract that you help those who don't know.

And that the help be freely exchanged.

That's just called being a nice person and working together

You're being pedantic again.

Socialism and communism are whole political, economic, and philosophical ideologies

That is not pedantry

They do not have a monopoly on community

These systems are very clearly defined

Yes they are, and parts of them can be adapt, and don't have to be taken in their entirety.

And most of those parts existed before the systems were created

No one said they did, no one said that Marx was the first one to think up this shit either.

It just doesn't make sense though.

It's like saying that it's feudal to want to have land that others work on

Systems of government don't come into existence out of nothing.

No it's not.