Message from @Existence is identity
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*Its not real altruism* Where have I heard that before? Oh right, Communists!
You hold the individual belongs to the state or the group
Altruism can help people, but it is dependent on the ability of others to absorb the loss in giving, forcing "Altruism" doesn't help.
For eons, Charity has been the private manifestation of Altruism, when ever something like that is taken over by large groups or even worse the government, corruption and suffering take over
The ethics of altruism advocate a sacrifice to someone else, anything else can be considered a gain thus cant considered altruism
Cept there is limited resource so assigining a value to things is pretty important and why altruism fails
Yes, because limited resources makes genocides happen
Unchecked Greed and hatred create Genocides
Except it was for the group and it was altruistic in premise
Humans create genocide. Hell, genocides are constants
Communists are great at Genocides, Stalin, Mao, Pot
Hitler did not live for himself he lived for his group
And we make groupa to survive enocunters with other groups
Ok well I have work to do.
And he killed millions of people for his group.
Yes
Why do people forget aboriginals killed other aboriginals all the time. If they had the capacity, they woulda also pulled a hitler
Capitalism at the beginning was very selfish it said you own your life you are not a slave to some state or group and we flourished
When we killed in our interests we stopped a war
I also appreciate that most wars end with a surrender because you can gain from a surrender vs total anhilation.
America the selfish system flourished and you want to destroy it @Khanclansith
He already left o3o. I think the way it is now, where the strong look out for the weak is ideal.
No, I do not owe the weak anything
Well its part of the economic system, owing in return for the labor. Its just people need someone to organize them, a leader.
Yes, because they want it, it is not my job to lead but those who want to lead for their own *selfish* desires
The only moral achievement in a man's life is his happiness
Yea. Never did say anyone owes anything anyway. Just the strong looking out for the weak is how it ended up being
At least there is incentives to keep cities well maintained etc cause the market needs to keep moving at a healthy rate is what i mean
At the core, the CHOICE to give to the poor is best. I’ve always found it odd that capitalism is completely against most principles of the Christian beliefs. Were it not for Christian beliefs, capitalism would go crazy. Still, much of the work of those who believe in communism stole their ideas from Adam Smith. They also fail to give from their pies like those Christian capitalists. Interesting dichotomies.
Adam Smith was the first to write about caring for the workers. We need to revisit his ideas, and incorporate more in that direction.
@allgoodguy The workers get what they agreed upon with you
I get what I agree to receive, that’s for sure, but I’m not cheap and know my own value.
Then only accept what you are worth
If you really are worth what you think you are you will get it in a free society. Right now our society can hardly be considered free or rational
Government gave people the option to rely on them to “set a fair price” for a minimum wage. They forgot they could (should) bargain for their own needs. This is exactly the problem with giving up freedom for security, even wage security.
Yes, not to mention it is at the point of the gun that the wage is being discussed
Oh here we go. Minimum wage.
Exactly
No, we aren’t going onto minimum wage, we are going to government control of wage.
If you’d like to hear someone go off about minimum wage, listen to an economist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY