I also appreciate that most wars end with a surrender because you can gain from a surrender vs total anhilation.

America's only crime has been to give up liberty

America the selfish system flourished and you want to destroy it @Khanclansith

He already left o3o. I think the way it is now, where the strong look out for the weak is ideal.

No, I do not owe the weak anything

Well its part of the economic system, owing in return for the labor. Its just people need someone to organize them, a leader.

Yes, because they want it, it is not my job to lead but those who want to lead for their own *selfish* desires

The only moral achievement in a man's life is his happiness

Yea. Never did say anyone owes anything anyway. Just the strong looking out for the weak is how it ended up being

At least there is incentives to keep cities well maintained etc cause the market needs to keep moving at a healthy rate is what i mean

At the core, the CHOICE to give to the poor is best. I’ve always found it odd that capitalism is completely against most principles of the Christian beliefs. Were it not for Christian beliefs, capitalism would go crazy. Still, much of the work of those who believe in communism stole their ideas from Adam Smith. They also fail to give from their pies like those Christian capitalists. Interesting dichotomies.

Adam Smith was the first to write about caring for the workers. We need to revisit his ideas, and incorporate more in that direction.

@allgoodguy The workers get what they agreed upon with you

I get what I agree to receive, that’s for sure, but I’m not cheap and know my own value.

Then only accept what you are worth

If you really are worth what you think you are you will get it in a free society. Right now our society can hardly be considered free or rational

Government gave people the option to rely on them to “set a fair price” for a minimum wage. They forgot they could (should) bargain for their own needs. This is exactly the problem with giving up freedom for security, even wage security.

Yes, not to mention it is at the point of the gun that the wage is being discussed

Oh here we go. Minimum wage.

Exactly

No, we aren’t going onto minimum wage, we are going to government control of wage.

If you’d like to hear someone go off about minimum wage, listen to an economist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY

@allgoodguy min wage is retarded cos prices adjust for increase making it obsolete

The moral is the practical

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@allgoodguy Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

Government doesn’t belong in morals.

Well, it can against criminals only of course

Watched the shrugged series.

Just look at government as what it is the gun

I should read it, but I’ve got certification books to read.

>Expecting low iq individuals to void deferral of personal responsibilities to 3rd parties

Speaking of which, it's time for me to get back to my studies.

@allgoodguy Its a great book but by no means are you forced to read it dont force it

Why? Because you don't pay for me.

It has flaws. The book. Sadly a lot of objectivists are too biased to admit them.

Like what?

Slowmode makes it unbearable to text in big sexy walls of text. But we can go over it any time.

Want to move to a non slow mode channel?

Go to free for all

rip debate channel, its now dead.