Currentsy has always been simple a medium to gage value for trade... It is neither good nor evil. Human nature however can be both, either or or neither.

Communism has killed more people across this planet than any other form of politics, It can not function based on the simple principle that it runs in direct contradiction to human nature.

Communism is a manifestation of altruism

Communism is Altruism taken to the irrational and pathological end.

You just dont like the result of this so called "moral" virtue you cant have reason and altruism man has one mind not a collection of mind man has to sustain one body not a group

*Its not real altruism* Where have I heard that before? Oh right, Communists!

You hold the individual belongs to the state or the group

Altruism can help people, but it is dependent on the ability of others to absorb the loss in giving, forcing "Altruism" doesn't help.

For eons, Charity has been the private manifestation of Altruism, when ever something like that is taken over by large groups or even worse the government, corruption and suffering take over

The ethics of altruism advocate a sacrifice to someone else, anything else can be considered a gain thus cant considered altruism

Cept there is limited resource so assigining a value to things is pretty important and why altruism fails

Yes, because limited resources makes genocides happen

Unchecked Greed and hatred create Genocides

Except it was for the group and it was altruistic in premise

Humans create genocide. Hell, genocides are constants

Communists are great at Genocides, Stalin, Mao, Pot

Hitler did not live for himself he lived for his group

And we make groupa to survive enocunters with other groups

Ok well I have work to do.

And he killed millions of people for his group.

Yes

Why do people forget aboriginals killed other aboriginals all the time. If they had the capacity, they woulda also pulled a hitler

Capitalism at the beginning was very selfish it said you own your life you are not a slave to some state or group and we flourished

When we killed in our interests we stopped a war

I also appreciate that most wars end with a surrender because you can gain from a surrender vs total anhilation.

America's only crime has been to give up liberty

America the selfish system flourished and you want to destroy it @Khanclansith

He already left o3o. I think the way it is now, where the strong look out for the weak is ideal.

No, I do not owe the weak anything

Well its part of the economic system, owing in return for the labor. Its just people need someone to organize them, a leader.

Yes, because they want it, it is not my job to lead but those who want to lead for their own *selfish* desires

The only moral achievement in a man's life is his happiness

Yea. Never did say anyone owes anything anyway. Just the strong looking out for the weak is how it ended up being

At least there is incentives to keep cities well maintained etc cause the market needs to keep moving at a healthy rate is what i mean

At the core, the CHOICE to give to the poor is best. I’ve always found it odd that capitalism is completely against most principles of the Christian beliefs. Were it not for Christian beliefs, capitalism would go crazy. Still, much of the work of those who believe in communism stole their ideas from Adam Smith. They also fail to give from their pies like those Christian capitalists. Interesting dichotomies.

Adam Smith was the first to write about caring for the workers. We need to revisit his ideas, and incorporate more in that direction.

@allgoodguy The workers get what they agreed upon with you

I get what I agree to receive, that’s for sure, but I’m not cheap and know my own value.

Then only accept what you are worth

If you really are worth what you think you are you will get it in a free society. Right now our society can hardly be considered free or rational

Government gave people the option to rely on them to “set a fair price” for a minimum wage. They forgot they could (should) bargain for their own needs. This is exactly the problem with giving up freedom for security, even wage security.