Message from @WOODY

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2018-01-23 01:27:42 UTC  

If that's selfish by someone's strange, arbitrary definition, I don't really care all that much. I'd much rather help people out because I want to, not because I have to. And I _do_ want to help people.

2018-01-23 01:27:56 UTC  

it's an act performed on your own free will

2018-01-23 01:28:15 UTC  

so to continue to support people with your money by force is not Altruism

2018-01-23 01:28:18 UTC  

But you can't always _just_ be selfless, because then, you don't ever focus on yourself. And thus, you're in a worse position to sacrifice and help.

2018-01-23 01:28:30 UTC  

you arne't doing it because you choose to, you are doing it now because you are being forced to

2018-01-23 01:28:34 UTC  

Heres a new perspective for you

How is being a ball and chain to someone else an act of self-sacrifice?

in other words, how is being the beneficiary of an altruist person making you selfless? if anything it makes you selfish, for using another persons sacrifice

2018-01-23 01:28:39 UTC  

I do not choose to have my tax money go to welfare

2018-01-23 01:28:45 UTC  

they force that upon me

2018-01-23 01:28:53 UTC  

I would choose to have my taxes go to schools and healthcare

2018-01-23 01:29:00 UTC  

I think you are misunderstanding me here: as an Objectivist, I consider rationally pursuing values, i.e. selfishness to be a virtue.

2018-01-23 01:29:05 UTC  

not to support a family of 8 who refuse to work

2018-01-23 01:29:19 UTC  

It seems to be the difference between indifference and duty.
Indifference is a passive state, whereas duty is an active one, since the other definition is "a task or action that someone is required to perform."
Is that the same thing as a lack of motivation?

2018-01-23 01:29:47 UTC  
2018-01-23 01:29:56 UTC  

that's why I said, ther eis a difference between helping and having that person rely on you to survive

2018-01-23 01:30:00 UTC  

I mean, in the end, you can't ever completely separate independance from all humans. Many have tried. All have failed in the end. It always goes south.

2018-01-23 01:30:09 UTC  

Robots don't make very good citizens

2018-01-23 01:30:11 UTC  

there is a distinct difference

2018-01-23 01:30:16 UTC  

Just ask communism

2018-01-23 01:30:31 UTC  

I'm not trying to make robots

2018-01-23 01:30:51 UTC  

but you are trying to imply that peopel are selfish for wanting to perpetuate the success of the human race

2018-01-23 01:31:04 UTC  

yes, because they are!

2018-01-23 01:31:07 UTC  

because they don't want peopel relying on them and they want to teach them to do thing for themselves

2018-01-23 01:31:10 UTC  

that makes no sense!

2018-01-23 01:31:14 UTC  

^

2018-01-23 01:31:14 UTC  

no they aren't at all

2018-01-23 01:31:28 UTC  

do you value the human race?

2018-01-23 01:31:29 UTC  

why would giving someone freedom over their own life be selfish?

2018-01-23 01:31:36 UTC  

if that were the case, cavemen would have died out a long time ago, had the man who invented fire never shared it

2018-01-23 01:31:42 UTC  

selfishness is about value

2018-01-23 01:31:57 UTC  

if you value something, you are selfish for pursuing it.

2018-01-23 01:31:58 UTC  

if he was the only one that knew how to do it, and he died, then the rest of them would have too because they didn't know how to do it

2018-01-23 01:32:36 UTC  

I value the human race's continued existence. Because I know that if my life doesn't leave some kind of something behind positive, I'll know that I've lived a nigh pointless existence. Doesn't mean I can't do anything for myself. It just means that I _want_ to sacrifice for the good of humankind.

2018-01-23 01:32:39 UTC  

no, because it benefits him to have other people know how to do it, because then his children will have fire.

2018-01-23 01:32:41 UTC  

I _want_ to do this.

2018-01-23 01:32:44 UTC  

I was never taught that.

2018-01-23 01:32:50 UTC  

to give a person the chance to get off the dole and make something of themselves is not selfish in the slightest

2018-01-23 01:32:58 UTC  

yes, i value my childrens ability to not be a slave to another persons whims, boy am i a selfish bastard 😛

2018-01-23 01:33:05 UTC  

I weighed the world, and formulated opinions accordingly.

2018-01-23 01:33:07 UTC  

want is the most selfish of emotions.

2018-01-23 01:33:16 UTC  

The equation obviously isn't that simple in my eyes, others can value you and thus suicide is not at all altruistic

2018-01-23 01:33:16 UTC  

ehhh...