ya know, those bastions of progressiveness that everyone's trying so desperately to immigrate to

I‘ve seen people claim that germany is a socialist country...

I've seen people make false statements too

Well it depends on what criteria you go with,

afaik, Norway has basically socialised their massive oil reserve, meaning that the money gained from it is used to fund their schools, pensions etc

But neither sweden nor norway has had workers seize the means of production, or banned free market

and if i recall correctly, until like 1980, sweden did have massive socialist systems that ruined their economy having them switch back

most of the Nordic countries have a freer market so that the economy actually has the room to afford their social nets. That doesn't mean they don't push things too far from time to time and shoot them selves in the foot, but its certainly not socialism. But they are different than the rest of the EU in that regard i think.

The 'nordic model' is at best classified as a social democracy, but it's defnitely capitalist as fuck.

The Norse have a so called 'oil fund' which is privately run, but majority owned by the government IIRC.

socialism=/=communism

depends on which version of communism and socialism you are talking about

socialism is communism basically

actually no, they are different words that mean different things. socialism does tend to encapsulate communism, basicly meaning communism is a form of socialism, while socialism is a form of economic system where the means of production are controled socialy or democraticly. communism is another beast entirely which takes the idea of socialism, creates a utopia out of the form of socialism which the private sector never even exists, and also lumps other ideas in with it such as abolishment of money and the state. its more accurate to call communist countrys "working towards communism" countrys than accutally presently being "communist" because they never actually represent the goal of the system they put into place. socialism on the other hand has been achieved, both veneseula, nazi germany, and the nordic states are BY SOCIALIST DEFINITIONS actually socialisms now due to the extent of democratic or social control of the means of production

anything other than anarcho capitalism is communism and is bad

enjoy your ban

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thats not how economics works

Except Nordic counties have a higher economic freedom than the us. So how does one have a more socialist society than the US yet have less red tape on the private sector?

socialism isint regulation, its a different form of ownership

So all companies are government owned in Nordic counties?

socialism is the government enforcing communism

socialism is a spectrom in the truist since of the term

its application maybe

socialism is just the ideal of the state replacing the private sector to provide the needs of the people

in a loose sense

socialism isint an ideal of state

its the opposite of an ideal of state, its a system, COMMUNISM is an ideal of the state

i never said ideal of state

I said its the ideal of: "the state replacing the private sector to provide the needs of the people"

these words get thrown around so much that they don't have meaning any more

its not replacing the private sector to provide the needs of the people, its some degree of blending of the private sector and the public sector and the degree of blending is subjective

when words are thrown around by retarded activists ON BOTH SIDES just to make their ideas or counter ideas seem more attractive to you simply get a dictonary

the principles im discribing here can be found in the first paragraph on a wikipedia article

and i said CAN not "use this source only"

it is replacing

A government company has no use if its private sector version is cheaper
If its more expensive to run it in private sector, you replace it with government

the only difference in the "spectrum" is on what you apply it on

And since government tends to be inneffective, its generally cheaper to run private industry

inb4 "you said wikipedia so i dont have to think anymore"

governments arnt ineffective, look at nazi germany 😛

did they succeed in killing ALL jews? 😛

depends on what you mean by ineffective

killing jews was an after thought for germany, theres a reason they did most of it all within the last 3 years of the war while the country itself lasted about 18 years before the end of the war

ineffective as in: Costs more money to run, and doesn't innovate as much

have you even seen these tanks? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte

you mean the one so heavy it got stuck in the mud?

if thats not innovation i dont know waht is