Message from @Probably Tim
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trump isnt that stupid
not stupid at all
but hes playing the game
Governments will just take over energy and transportation. Create massive eco beurocracies that will never go away and we will just be poorer people on the cusp of a disaster
you can incentivize renewable development without nationalizing the industry
just provide tax incentives
the oil industry as is receives massive subsidies
People will buy green technology if they can afford it. Id buy an elecrric car tomorrow if i could. Takes time for things to get cheaper
for sure
I agree that they shouldnt
Oil that is
but the market is being purposefully blocked in its present state by incentivizing oil rather than domestic renewables
even if that were reversed it wouldnt happen immiediately but it would happen much faster and would have positive impacts on the economy imo
jobs and again less imports
Agreed. Oil companies being involved with the government is a good indicator that green technology companies being involved with the government will also lead to corruption
lobbying is an issue in general yeah
military industrial complex
the jail system
as well
big tech lobbys the left now
@chuckayy what are these big oil subsidies? are you talking about the ability of oil corporations to write off expenses? That's just something businesses can do
tax subsidies are when the government incentivizes the market by allowing certain industry or companies to pay less tax
`In the United States, the federal government has paid US$145 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($85 billion) and fossil fuels ($60 billion) from 1950 to 2016. During this same timeframe, renewable energy technologies received a total of US $34 billion. `
Never gonna get rid of lobbying in US am I right
yeah idk what the solution is
its a catch 22
in a free open market
you will have lobbying
but then lobbying creates a less democratic system
in some sense
one could argue that lobbying is an extension of competitive market capitalism, by going straight to the government
yeah for sure
i tend to want to side with the completely open system which will include lobbying but it seems to incentivize detrimental practices such as war, large incarceration rates
I agree
@chuckayy those subsidies sound legit. I've heard people before include writing off expenses to inflate figures which is bs. But 60b in direct subsidies over 7 decades sounds accurate.
But idk if it's that crazy. It's been a while since I looked at it, but I think state local and federal taxes at the pump are 4x what oil company profits per gallon are. There are no comparable renewable taxes like that.
shalom aleichem.
anyone watching the mueller testimony
Three years of American tax dollars wasted
lol
so you're not watching the testimony obviously
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