GG @witherfinger, you just advanced to level 2!

eh climate change is real

the magnitude of it and impact is debatable

but in my opinion developing renewable infrastructure is a win win

you get a domestic source of energy / reduce reliance on oil imports

side effect of reducing emissions

Im not saying it isnt real. The idea that government will solve it is the lie.

and i think the only reason the repubs arent on board is cause of the oil lobby to be honest

trump isnt that stupid

not stupid at all

but hes playing the game

Governments will just take over energy and transportation. Create massive eco beurocracies that will never go away and we will just be poorer people on the cusp of a disaster

you can incentivize renewable development without nationalizing the industry

just provide tax incentives

the oil industry as is receives massive subsidies

People will buy green technology if they can afford it. Id buy an elecrric car tomorrow if i could. Takes time for things to get cheaper

for sure

I agree that they shouldnt

Oil that is

but the market is being purposefully blocked in its present state by incentivizing oil rather than domestic renewables

even if that were reversed it wouldnt happen immiediately but it would happen much faster and would have positive impacts on the economy imo

jobs and again less imports

Agreed. Oil companies being involved with the government is a good indicator that green technology companies being involved with the government will also lead to corruption

lobbying is an issue in general yeah

military industrial complex

the jail system

as well

big tech lobbys the left now

@chuckayy what are these big oil subsidies? are you talking about the ability of oil corporations to write off expenses? That's just something businesses can do

tax subsidies are when the government incentivizes the market by allowing certain industry or companies to pay less tax

`In the United States, the federal government has paid US$145 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($85 billion) and fossil fuels ($60 billion) from 1950 to 2016. During this same timeframe, renewable energy technologies received a total of US $34 billion. `

Never gonna get rid of lobbying in US am I right

yeah idk what the solution is

its a catch 22

in a free open market

you will have lobbying

but then lobbying creates a less democratic system

in some sense

one could argue that lobbying is an extension of competitive market capitalism, by going straight to the government

yeah for sure

i tend to want to side with the completely open system which will include lobbying but it seems to incentivize detrimental practices such as war, large incarceration rates