Message from @witherfinger
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I see conservative values as a necessary half of the bedrock of human civilization
The current incarnation of the right wing, in the USA and around the world is a reaction to the left wing going off the deep end.
I see the green parties as a trojan horse for socialism. As social engineering and pc crap is failing hard, the socialists need some way to impose their power. Why not do it with the threat of global catastrophe.
GG @witherfinger, you just advanced to level 2!
eh climate change is real
the magnitude of it and impact is debatable
but in my opinion developing renewable infrastructure is a win win
you get a domestic source of energy / reduce reliance on oil imports
side effect of reducing emissions
Im not saying it isnt real. The idea that government will solve it is the lie.
and i think the only reason the repubs arent on board is cause of the oil lobby to be honest
trump isnt that stupid
not stupid at all
but hes playing the game
Governments will just take over energy and transportation. Create massive eco beurocracies that will never go away and we will just be poorer people on the cusp of a disaster
you can incentivize renewable development without nationalizing the industry
just provide tax incentives
the oil industry as is receives massive subsidies
People will buy green technology if they can afford it. Id buy an elecrric car tomorrow if i could. Takes time for things to get cheaper
for sure
I agree that they shouldnt
but the market is being purposefully blocked in its present state by incentivizing oil rather than domestic renewables
even if that were reversed it wouldnt happen immiediately but it would happen much faster and would have positive impacts on the economy imo
jobs and again less imports
Agreed. Oil companies being involved with the government is a good indicator that green technology companies being involved with the government will also lead to corruption
lobbying is an issue in general yeah
military industrial complex
the jail system
as well
big tech lobbys the left now
@chuckayy what are these big oil subsidies? are you talking about the ability of oil corporations to write off expenses? That's just something businesses can do
tax subsidies are when the government incentivizes the market by allowing certain industry or companies to pay less tax
`In the United States, the federal government has paid US$145 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($85 billion) and fossil fuels ($60 billion) from 1950 to 2016. During this same timeframe, renewable energy technologies received a total of US $34 billion. `
Never gonna get rid of lobbying in US am I right
yeah idk what the solution is
its a catch 22
in a free open market
you will have lobbying
but then lobbying creates a less democratic system
in some sense
one could argue that lobbying is an extension of competitive market capitalism, by going straight to the government