Oh good deal. You guys do good work.

The only way mass surveilence can work, is if you allow the authorities to presume guilt,
Which means you have to strip the "innocent until proven guilty" from society

I can't tell you how many times i've seen news reports on like european terrorists for example

where the police chief says "Yeah, we've had our eye on this person for a while"

or "The terrorist was known to police for former activities"

So you knew he was up to something, but you didn't do anything, because he didn't do anything chargable yet

@ikillomega if u can please watch the video and repost it here later, bc otherwise it gets lost in the chat and never seen.

I'm watching now at work between tasks. I will re-post if I remember too, hahaha. If it gets busy and I have to pause and return a lot, I may forget, but I'll try to make it a point share again. Thanks for the good work!

ctv survalience is probably a very useful system consitering how many businesses adopted it before it even became manditory security in the uk

you mean cctv?

yeah sorry, people say the cc so fast it sounds just like a c to me

thats private use, not public

ctv sound like som tv channel

its private use until the government requests it because you cant refuse the government any evidence for a crime if they have a warent

@Arch-Fiend reminds me of this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL89ooZwesQ

"weve been tracking a suspect and have reason to believe he was here and may have been picked up by your cameras please give us the footage between _ and _"

its still private surveilance, businesses can't just set up cameras outside their property

it annoys me that discord doesetn know the difference between _ and -

__it doesnt?__

oh wait it does, then why does 2 _ act the same way as 2 -?

--are you sure?--

-word- _word_

oh

the difference is that the store is using it to keep track of their assets, and find someone afterward

the government uses it with the goal of finding someone to prevent BEFOREHAND.

And you can't really do that cuz you're either bound by the law, or gotta presume guilt

so i think were talking about the patriot act now?

because before we were talking about different forms of survalience

I dunno i joined in when we were talking about public surveilance

this entire conversation (ironicly we should have gone to <#463068752725016579>) was about biometric identification and how it can be used to track people more if you just went and required people to use their id for more things but my argument was that requiring id for more things is the part of biometrics which acts as tracking not the method of identification, then it became a debate whether its the governements job to have an identification system which i argued yes because it cant effectively track its border if it doesent know its own citizinery and it cant prevent identity theft if it has no confermation system to give its citizines the ability to say they are who they say they are any more than someone else claiming to be them.

i think the united states government basicly having a tap on every phone in the united states and many abroad is a bit of a different form of survalience that has no justification in my opinion and i agree it basicly doesent solve anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Yly94A7Xc

“ Legal experts say Mueller team likely gained access to NRA tax filing: report “ by Avery Anapol on The Hill

Mueller brings another red herring to the Trump Russia investigation. The truth is unimportant. This is propaganda set to attack the NRA and Trump in one blow.

http://archive.today/LzTb0

Just shows they have NOTHING on him,

else they wouldn't have to do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9eVJ37EOoI

The NRA disclosed in April that it received about $2,500 in contributions from 23 Russia-linked individuals since 2015. McClatchy reported earlier this year that the FBI was looking into whether one of those donors, Alexander Torshin, used the NRA to funnel money to the Trump campaign.
Torshin is a Russian politician and deputy of the country's central bank.

So they want people to believe that $2500 given to the NRA by a Russian in 2015 was passed onto Trump in 2016 and was the decisive factor in swinging the election?

Are they sure that money wasn't just used to pay for one of the bazillion other things the NRA did in 2015? All the activism and public awareness work they do?

At least it's more credible than the Taxi medallion schtick.

I don't even think you have to be a citizen to donate to the NRA.

Seems like a tall order to make that case given $2.5k covers maybe a portion of their water bill.

2,500...thats it? Russia-linked? aka their neighbors are russian and they said hi?

I'm sorry I keep having to repost this, but people's discussions keep burying my video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdynfibjB9o