@Timcast I hope you saw the video I posted yesterday. I left a SuperChat yesterday about a news story that I've been working on.

@Starscream92 (ChefLeopard) could you repost?

OK. Hold up.

tyvm

Also mass surveilence doesn't work

I think that would very from case-to-case

@ikillomega This is the video of an interview that four of us did on the Hard Bastard YouTube channel last month. @Canucklehead and I have been working on the story as YouTubers, and we had two Bernie delegate witnesses join from San Diego. @Timcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdynfibjB9o

Whether or not something works is entirely dependent on implementation and execution.

Thank you @Starscream92 (ChefLeopard)

Also, Hard Bastard is awesome.

@ikillomega yeah i write 4 his webpage.

I have 3 articles on this topic on it.

Oh good deal. You guys do good work.

The only way mass surveilence can work, is if you allow the authorities to presume guilt,
Which means you have to strip the "innocent until proven guilty" from society

I can't tell you how many times i've seen news reports on like european terrorists for example

where the police chief says "Yeah, we've had our eye on this person for a while"

or "The terrorist was known to police for former activities"

So you knew he was up to something, but you didn't do anything, because he didn't do anything chargable yet

@ikillomega if u can please watch the video and repost it here later, bc otherwise it gets lost in the chat and never seen.

I'm watching now at work between tasks. I will re-post if I remember too, hahaha. If it gets busy and I have to pause and return a lot, I may forget, but I'll try to make it a point share again. Thanks for the good work!

ctv survalience is probably a very useful system consitering how many businesses adopted it before it even became manditory security in the uk

you mean cctv?

yeah sorry, people say the cc so fast it sounds just like a c to me

thats private use, not public

ctv sound like som tv channel

its private use until the government requests it because you cant refuse the government any evidence for a crime if they have a warent

@Arch-Fiend reminds me of this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL89ooZwesQ

"weve been tracking a suspect and have reason to believe he was here and may have been picked up by your cameras please give us the footage between _ and _"

its still private surveilance, businesses can't just set up cameras outside their property

it annoys me that discord doesetn know the difference between _ and -

__it doesnt?__

oh wait it does, then why does 2 _ act the same way as 2 -?

--are you sure?--

-word- _word_

oh

the difference is that the store is using it to keep track of their assets, and find someone afterward

the government uses it with the goal of finding someone to prevent BEFOREHAND.

And you can't really do that cuz you're either bound by the law, or gotta presume guilt

so i think were talking about the patriot act now?

because before we were talking about different forms of survalience

I dunno i joined in when we were talking about public surveilance

this entire conversation (ironicly we should have gone to <#463068752725016579>) was about biometric identification and how it can be used to track people more if you just went and required people to use their id for more things but my argument was that requiring id for more things is the part of biometrics which acts as tracking not the method of identification, then it became a debate whether its the governements job to have an identification system which i argued yes because it cant effectively track its border if it doesent know its own citizinery and it cant prevent identity theft if it has no confermation system to give its citizines the ability to say they are who they say they are any more than someone else claiming to be them.

i think the united states government basicly having a tap on every phone in the united states and many abroad is a bit of a different form of survalience that has no justification in my opinion and i agree it basicly doesent solve anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Yly94A7Xc