@H E C K shame that those ideas cannot be argued because of the sunk cost fallacy. Proving them wrong in their mind makes them right

just a shame that debate often causes those your debating to double down even harder in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are wrong, it's a wierd result

The people being debated may not have their opinions swayed, but the people watching the debate could be convinced. Perhaps not all, but some. Of course there are people with crazy levels of bias that they could never accept that their position is wrong (I've seen some shit like this on Dr. Phil), but they will be a minority.

On the other hand, silencing these people instead of debating them will not only confirm their beliefs to them but it will convince others that they are right. At least debate will keep the amount of political extremists to a minimum

I'd like to think there is some opinion adjustment going on here. I certainly have been putting a lot of thought into what I have heard here.

Same here. My opinions have changed dramatically over the past two years, originally starting on the center right and listening to Ben Shapiro and Milo Yiannopoulos. Now I'm center left, listen to Tim (obviously) and other people on the left. I'm even starting to purchase some books on politics and philosophy which will probably change my opinions even more. I think people can change their opinions quite fluidly when they become cognizant of the tribalistic workings of their brain.

It's true, opinions rarely change over the course of a conversation, but seeds can be planted.

the other big issue is the massive numbers of personal attacks.
You will not change anyones mind by attacking them.
But that is largely how people treat politics now.

I had a friend that decided to never speak to me again for pointng out when they were spouting propaganda and giving them links to sources like snopes to show them what the truth was, but they just said I was a dirty trump supporter and a bad person who hates brown people.

That's likely because the only people who attack others based on politics are not interested in finding truth regardless of where it lies, but rather they simply want their tribe to be right. I don't blame them entirely, it's a function of the human mind that once served us in terms of self-preservation. When you are completely disconnected from any group, then you won't have that drive to see your tribe win. In my opinion, it's one of the best ways to ensure that your own political biases are kept to a minimum. As for your friend, it's really unfortunate to hear that they were willing to give up a friendship over politics. Back in high school I had a friend who was a self-proclaimed democratic socialist. At the time I was center-right, which he knew about. We never had any issues in our friendship, political or otherwise.

@Beemann mad max all the way!

It's hard not to think that the Liberal Party has open disdain for the average Canadian

Are they that power drunk or just malevolent?

The US is definitely a more attractive option

@The Yellow King you showed them Snopes, of all websites, and they still called you a dirty tumper? Yikes.

Yeah

That is like, cult level of delusion. Not easy to keep as a friend or even reach.

It's like they turn off their brains and don't want to think because it hurts too much.

Yeah I don't really care at the end of the day, they were a shitty friend in retrospect.

The kind that would borrow from you, but never help you.

Just like their hero Marx

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-thanksgiving-statement-thankful-himself-1228390 Im putting this here cause its mostly a sensationalized non issue imo but Trump be "humble" bragging.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/report-claims-fbi-branded-the-proud-boys-an-extremist-group-founder-gavin-mcinnes-calls-bullsht/

Yeah, as someone from Clark Country, was can attest that there is no doubt in my kind this is a local sherrif trying to avoid bad publicity on one hand and a lawsuit on the other

They don't speak for the FBI. And if an FBI agent said what they say was said d, it could just as easily have been a personal statement and not something that is FBI policy

I'm sitting here in Clark county right now and nothing against them but this is a pretty hick place

if Trump come out and publicly endorse the proud boys, i would lose my shit

......

I found a trap on okcupid

Apparently he is an Irish, Iranian, Jewish person

Born in Alabama

sound like a random npc generator

LOL wat

https://billypenn.com/2018/11/17/jewish-man-mistakenly-identified-as-proud-boy-attacked-at-right-wing-rally-in-philadelphia/ @Timcast

The main stream media isn't reporting on any of this I think it would be a good vode

video-

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-man-said-accidentally-attacked-by-left-wing-protesters-in-philadelphia/

D-didn’t he do it already? Hold on

https://youtu.be/50s1523Zgb4

Yes, he did

ah thx