Wew

But yeah the PPC is really the only alternative to stagnation

Biggest issue here is apathy

I haven't really taken much of a look at the PPC, just kinda assumed that it would be taken over by ethnonationalists as those types of parties usually are

They're getting a lot of the more actual right wing con base and the libertarians from what I can tell
https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform

So far it's just Classical Liberalism: The Party

I really hope so, if they can gain some popularity and maintain this center-left/right balance then I would definitely vote for them in 2019

I know a hardcore Libertarian who immediately signed up to be a founding member

Otherwise I don't think I'd even vote. Scheer just seems like a conservative version of Trudeau but with a better speaking ability

That's why Bernier left the cons

Because Scheer is going to do a lot of the same shit as Trudeau

I might be convincing my lefty sisters to vote for PPC, fwiw
They don't want NDP and admit Trudeau sucks. A Scheer alternative is perfect

This could be good for the PPC really. They got a lot of media attention when they formed, but idk if it will be enough

I can't help but think of communism when I hear the People's Party

Yeah it's weird branding

C'est la vie

I get its populism and all but still

Makes me think of the Reform Party

National liberalism aka civic nationalism

Just watched Tim's vid on hillary... is it just me or is this a "Let them eat Cake" moment?

africa does not exist

The weird thing is I agree with Hilary seeing Europe need's to get it's act together.......on the other hand she was a high profile Senator in the 00's and her and Bush Jr were in a position to slam the open borders crowd down and also never let the white nationalism crowd bubble up if they had passed some fair centrist common sense immigration reform. Like her delivering that message to europe is like Chris Christie telling people eat your veges ie a bad messenger even if the message might be reasonable

Actually that's not the issue at all

I told people about this and they called it fake news

Hillary supporters literally denying it

She just wet her finger, stuck it up in the air, and gauged which way the wind was blowing. She has no guiding beliefs or convictions other than her divine right to power.

Clinton: lets stop populism by adopting populist policies!

I don't think she cares about stopping populism so much as she cares about having an avenue to power. She doesn't think the populists have a point, or that the right thing to do is to address the concerns of the people. She just thinks that populists are between her and power so they need to be defeated.

I agree on your assessment of her motivations. However I believe my previous statement still reflects her public position.

At least the true monarchies had divinely granted responsibilities along with their rights. Clinton has only entitlement, no duties she recognizes.

I think it is telling that she's testing this by speaking about Europe's problem while in Europe. It permits plausible deniability if it were to blow up. "Oh, of *course* I wasn't referring to the US situation. Why would you ever think that!"

Every time Clinton's "position" on an issue comes up, I think of Hitchens, and Superpredators, and her stance on Same-Sex Marriage

Clinton supported the wall
before she opposed it

at the end of the day, the Clintons are driven by maximizing the power of their dynasty
they've thrown everyone and everything under the bus in the process

including the Democratic party

now...
if you are willing to throw principles and party to the wolves in your blind pursuit of power,
why not democracy itself, eh?

Well, I will agree with you now. But in the late 1980's Bill Clinton was a major player in the "third way" movement within the Democratic Party after some real humdinger losses in 1984 and 1988. I think back then there were real convictions. Now, not so much.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/11/22/howard_dean_people_are_beginning_to_understand_that_trump_does_not_represent_american_values.html

> I think people are beginning to understand that Trump does not represent American values.
> He doesn’t even really represent the values of most people who voted for him.
> And so, I think people don’t actually really consider Trump a legitimate president.
...
> *He was obviously elected and all this business*, but he does not represent American values.

an "obviously elected" President
is not legitimate
because he does not represent the values of the Clinton machine

Having been in my 20's in the 1990's and very aware of events, Bill Clinton really was a bit of a counter-revolutionary in a Democratic Party that had been in the thrall of their left side since Carter's loss in 1980.

---> you couldn't make this stuff up - it's like Amazon deleting Orwell's 1984 from everyone's Kindle