what is it then?

It's debate.

@Grenade123 exactly, then they can fail and be an example

debate requires argumentation

No it doesn't debate is not argumentation.

more over, then the rest of the states will be able to offer help

i said no such thing

rather than everyone drowning

i said it REQUIRES it

Not really.

You can't have a debate without argumentation

It requires an argument, not argumentation.

a debate without argumentation is the Leftist tactic of just shouting over another person

Dennafen

@Grenade123 And if you don't like your government, instead of having 0 real options because the EU and Canada are nuts, you can move states

exactly

although soon there will be no EU at this rate

so maybe there will be options again

@Grenade123 Course you have to be careful about too much polarization

Debates are adversarial by design, you don't care about the other persons points, your interlocutor is the enemy and the audience is the target.

Arguementation is the systematic reasoning that you use to support your arguements

No.

It's not @Awrini

So a debate without arguementation is just bullshit

what is argumentation then?

Yes it is. It's the literal definition

hold on

@Dennafen what do you define as argumentation?

argumentation is good

fighting is what you are confusing it as

I stop looking at general for five minutes and you guys debate up a 100+ message storm ⛈

Argumentation is the promotion of discovery of truth though discussion. You don't go into it with pre conceived idea of what is right or wrong.

a debate doesn't have to be adversarial

In a debate, you just have 2 opposing stances

And the goal is to try and persuade others to agree with your viewpoint/arguments, so either your opponent, or your audience

Yes @Dr.Wol Debate is adversarial.

what definition did you pull that from?

seriously, what?

because everyone else was using the "the act or process of forming reasons and of drawing conclusions and applying them to a case in discussion" definition

Man i wish we had a debate channel ...for liek debates ....

Lmao 😂

we do, but that channel is in permanent "slow" mode

so you can't talk fast