Message from @ExceptionalFeather

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2018-08-08 17:06:27 UTC  

A person who learns "The fine skill of arguing" will not suddenly become a great debater

2018-08-08 17:06:37 UTC  

Debates require argumentation

2018-08-08 17:06:40 UTC  

I'm not being contrary. True argumentation comes from gathering knowledge.

2018-08-08 17:06:40 UTC  

Arguing isn't argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:06:50 UTC  

you know what i mean

2018-08-08 17:06:57 UTC  

@Grenade123 The Fed imo mostly only should do international affairs, I don''t see much they should be responsible beyond that

2018-08-08 17:06:59 UTC  

don't strawman my poor use of my 2nd language

2018-08-08 17:07:01 UTC  

Yes, and it's not what I'm talking about.

2018-08-08 17:07:05 UTC  

agreed

2018-08-08 17:07:08 UTC  

I'm not.

2018-08-08 17:07:31 UTC  

You are, you know what i mean and deliberately put me in a bad light for using wrong words by pointing them out

2018-08-08 17:08:01 UTC  

When you are arguementative, yiu are also expected to be able to reinforce your arguements with facts.

2018-08-08 17:08:08 UTC  

No, I'm not. You are talking about taking separate position, and arguing over which is correct.

2018-08-08 17:08:13 UTC  

That is not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:08:18 UTC  

That is an argument, or a debate.

2018-08-08 17:08:19 UTC  

Argumentation requires practice, just like any other skill

2018-08-08 17:08:26 UTC  

commieforina wants to be ultra socialist? fine.... don't use my fucking money from way the fuck over here to do it when i want to help this poor person right down the street from me.

2018-08-08 17:08:36 UTC  

Yes, but the skill you're promoting is not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:08:44 UTC  

what is it then?

2018-08-08 17:08:49 UTC  

It's debate.

2018-08-08 17:08:57 UTC  

@Grenade123 exactly, then they can fail and be an example

2018-08-08 17:08:57 UTC  

debate requires argumentation

2018-08-08 17:09:12 UTC  

No it doesn't debate is not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:09:26 UTC  

more over, then the rest of the states will be able to offer help

2018-08-08 17:09:28 UTC  

i said no such thing

2018-08-08 17:09:30 UTC  

rather than everyone drowning

2018-08-08 17:09:31 UTC  

i said it REQUIRES it

2018-08-08 17:09:39 UTC  

Not really.

2018-08-08 17:09:46 UTC  

You can't have a debate without argumentation

2018-08-08 17:09:55 UTC  

It requires an argument, not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:10:05 UTC  

a debate without argumentation is the Leftist tactic of just shouting over another person

2018-08-08 17:10:35 UTC  

Dennafen

2018-08-08 17:10:36 UTC  

@Grenade123 And if you don't like your government, instead of having 0 real options because the EU and Canada are nuts, you can move states

2018-08-08 17:10:46 UTC  

exactly

2018-08-08 17:10:58 UTC  

although soon there will be no EU at this rate

2018-08-08 17:11:04 UTC  

so maybe there will be options again

2018-08-08 17:11:06 UTC  

@Grenade123 Course you have to be careful about too much polarization

2018-08-08 17:11:12 UTC  

Debates are adversarial by design, you don't care about the other persons points, your interlocutor is the enemy and the audience is the target.

2018-08-08 17:11:19 UTC  

Arguementation is the systematic reasoning that you use to support your arguements

2018-08-08 17:11:31 UTC  

No.

2018-08-08 17:11:36 UTC  

It's not @Awrini