exactly

although soon there will be no EU at this rate

so maybe there will be options again

@Grenade123 Course you have to be careful about too much polarization

Debates are adversarial by design, you don't care about the other persons points, your interlocutor is the enemy and the audience is the target.

Arguementation is the systematic reasoning that you use to support your arguements

No.

It's not @Awrini

So a debate without arguementation is just bullshit

what is argumentation then?

Yes it is. It's the literal definition

hold on

@Dennafen what do you define as argumentation?

argumentation is good

fighting is what you are confusing it as

I stop looking at general for five minutes and you guys debate up a 100+ message storm ⛈

Argumentation is the promotion of discovery of truth though discussion. You don't go into it with pre conceived idea of what is right or wrong.

a debate doesn't have to be adversarial

In a debate, you just have 2 opposing stances

And the goal is to try and persuade others to agree with your viewpoint/arguments, so either your opponent, or your audience

Yes @Dr.Wol Debate is adversarial.

what definition did you pull that from?

seriously, what?

because everyone else was using the "the act or process of forming reasons and of drawing conclusions and applying them to a case in discussion" definition

Man i wish we had a debate channel ...for liek debates ....

Lmao 😂

we do, but that channel is in permanent "slow" mode

so you can't talk fast

Oh i didnt even know that

forget something? gotta wait 10 seconds and forget it agian

Argumentation: The Study of Effective Reasoning, 2nd Edition David Zarefsky

and JDM won't take it off slow mo

Is where I got it.

"Argumentation theory, or argumentation, is the interdisciplinary study of how conclusions can be reached through logical reasoning; that is, claims based, soundly or not, on premises."

" It includes the arts and sciences of civil debate, dialogue, conversation, and persuasion. It studies rules of inference, logic, and procedural rules in both artificial and real world settings"

sound about right?

or did he use a very different definition that he made up for his book

so... how is that not debating?

At the end of a debate, people draw their own conclusions and either agree or disagree

i guess there is a chicken and the egg problem where

Close enough.

debate requires argumentation, but argumentation includes debate

I just use Merriam webster when i googled the word

"the act or process of forming reasons and of drawing conclusions and applying them to a case in discussion"

Okay, it's not adversarial. Debate is.