Message from @Awrini

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2018-08-08 17:08:01 UTC  

When you are arguementative, yiu are also expected to be able to reinforce your arguements with facts.

2018-08-08 17:08:08 UTC  

No, I'm not. You are talking about taking separate position, and arguing over which is correct.

2018-08-08 17:08:13 UTC  

That is not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:08:18 UTC  

That is an argument, or a debate.

2018-08-08 17:08:19 UTC  

Argumentation requires practice, just like any other skill

2018-08-08 17:08:26 UTC  

commieforina wants to be ultra socialist? fine.... don't use my fucking money from way the fuck over here to do it when i want to help this poor person right down the street from me.

2018-08-08 17:08:36 UTC  

Yes, but the skill you're promoting is not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:08:44 UTC  

what is it then?

2018-08-08 17:08:49 UTC  

It's debate.

2018-08-08 17:08:57 UTC  

@Grenade123 exactly, then they can fail and be an example

2018-08-08 17:08:57 UTC  

debate requires argumentation

2018-08-08 17:09:12 UTC  

No it doesn't debate is not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:09:26 UTC  

more over, then the rest of the states will be able to offer help

2018-08-08 17:09:28 UTC  

i said no such thing

2018-08-08 17:09:30 UTC  

rather than everyone drowning

2018-08-08 17:09:31 UTC  

i said it REQUIRES it

2018-08-08 17:09:39 UTC  

Not really.

2018-08-08 17:09:46 UTC  

You can't have a debate without argumentation

2018-08-08 17:09:55 UTC  

It requires an argument, not argumentation.

2018-08-08 17:10:05 UTC  

a debate without argumentation is the Leftist tactic of just shouting over another person

2018-08-08 17:10:35 UTC  

Dennafen

2018-08-08 17:10:36 UTC  

@Grenade123 And if you don't like your government, instead of having 0 real options because the EU and Canada are nuts, you can move states

2018-08-08 17:10:46 UTC  

exactly

2018-08-08 17:10:58 UTC  

although soon there will be no EU at this rate

2018-08-08 17:11:04 UTC  

so maybe there will be options again

2018-08-08 17:11:06 UTC  

@Grenade123 Course you have to be careful about too much polarization

2018-08-08 17:11:12 UTC  

Debates are adversarial by design, you don't care about the other persons points, your interlocutor is the enemy and the audience is the target.

2018-08-08 17:11:19 UTC  

Arguementation is the systematic reasoning that you use to support your arguements

2018-08-08 17:11:31 UTC  

No.

2018-08-08 17:11:36 UTC  

It's not @Awrini

2018-08-08 17:11:40 UTC  

So a debate without arguementation is just bullshit

2018-08-08 17:11:44 UTC  

what is argumentation then?

2018-08-08 17:11:53 UTC  

Yes it is. It's the literal definition

2018-08-08 17:12:00 UTC  

hold on

2018-08-08 17:12:10 UTC  

@Dennafen what do you define as argumentation?

2018-08-08 17:12:12 UTC  

argumentation is good

2018-08-08 17:12:21 UTC  

fighting is what you are confusing it as

2018-08-08 17:12:32 UTC  

I stop looking at general for five minutes and you guys debate up a 100+ message storm ⛈

2018-08-08 17:12:33 UTC  

Argumentation is the promotion of discovery of truth though discussion. You don't go into it with pre conceived idea of what is right or wrong.

2018-08-08 17:12:38 UTC  

a debate doesn't have to be adversarial

In a debate, you just have 2 opposing stances

And the goal is to try and persuade others to agree with your viewpoint/arguments, so either your opponent, or your audience

2018-08-08 17:13:05 UTC  

Yes @Dr.Wol Debate is adversarial.