Message from @Awrini
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When you are arguementative, yiu are also expected to be able to reinforce your arguements with facts.
No, I'm not. You are talking about taking separate position, and arguing over which is correct.
That is not argumentation.
That is an argument, or a debate.
Argumentation requires practice, just like any other skill
commieforina wants to be ultra socialist? fine.... don't use my fucking money from way the fuck over here to do it when i want to help this poor person right down the street from me.
Yes, but the skill you're promoting is not argumentation.
what is it then?
It's debate.
@Grenade123 exactly, then they can fail and be an example
debate requires argumentation
No it doesn't debate is not argumentation.
more over, then the rest of the states will be able to offer help
i said no such thing
rather than everyone drowning
i said it REQUIRES it
Not really.
You can't have a debate without argumentation
It requires an argument, not argumentation.
a debate without argumentation is the Leftist tactic of just shouting over another person
@Grenade123 And if you don't like your government, instead of having 0 real options because the EU and Canada are nuts, you can move states
exactly
although soon there will be no EU at this rate
so maybe there will be options again
@Grenade123 Course you have to be careful about too much polarization
Debates are adversarial by design, you don't care about the other persons points, your interlocutor is the enemy and the audience is the target.
Arguementation is the systematic reasoning that you use to support your arguements
No.
So a debate without arguementation is just bullshit
what is argumentation then?
Yes it is. It's the literal definition
hold on
@Dennafen what do you define as argumentation?
argumentation is good
fighting is what you are confusing it as
I stop looking at general for five minutes and you guys debate up a 100+ message storm ⛈
Argumentation is the promotion of discovery of truth though discussion. You don't go into it with pre conceived idea of what is right or wrong.
a debate doesn't have to be adversarial
In a debate, you just have 2 opposing stances
And the goal is to try and persuade others to agree with your viewpoint/arguments, so either your opponent, or your audience