wow lep

you really got democrats there

Lies, lies, lies!

A thousand times, lier!

because socialism is international

Yes, german socialism is not an union of the works, it is a union of the german people!

@Deleted User and what is your basis for that argument? What authority do you have over to stop me from selling my labor?

do you own your body?

perpetual, do you own your body?

then you did own it, therefore there is private property

then we are arguing definitions

why? Why living a life absent of coercion wrong?

No, that is not a consequence of capitalism, in NATURE you have to use your labor power in order to survive

it is a natural axiom

Wrong, your workers do not perform as well under bad conditions of work

where did you get that info?

I s that why google engineers are so unhappy?

Really?

Wouldn't the workers organize themselves alone and refuse to work?

An union is not exclusive right of marxists

Is that a thing exclusive to capitalists?

Doesn't the democratic state only change when pressure is put on it?

Workers have always organized themselves, organizing in groups is not something invented by marxists

exploitaition of the third world?

is ANY corporation forcing third world people to work for them?

What is the problem with automation? Would you like people to continue working on extremely mundane activities?

Resources ARE SCARCE, thats why we have something called an economic system

No karde, capitalism rewards the most productive people

hierarchies are not bad

you WILL be rewarded for providing the most pleasure for society

I'm not talking about conglomerates aided by the states, like Oil barons

capitalism alone doesn't guarantee you perpetual wealth, you have to serve society in order to stay rich because you can't force someone to buy your product

it depends on what he means by scarcity

This guy is talking shit about natural elites, like its something wrong to excel in something and be rewarded because of it

Can you define capitalism?

Tell me, what do you think capitalism is

without marxist jargons

Capitalism: Private property, freedom of association and natural allocation of resources

no, that is not capitalism

"A system built on capital"

Then venezuela is capitalist

It has no freedom of association

it has no private property

it is controlled by a coercive state

how was that property acquired?

I bet that it wasn't in a free market.... it was through the exploitation of the workers by the state and its friends

dude, just because you own a company doesn't mean you are a capitalist... Venezuelan companies can only strive because they are protected by the state

exactly, thats the point they don't get... if you don't like to work for someone else, you can work for YOURSELF!

don't like the company you are working on? Create your own company!

@Deleted User thats not capitalism that you're atacking

Yeah, I know, if it has massive state intervention then its not capitalism dude

thats why I'm saying you are attacking the wrong thing

you should be mad at the state, not a natural system of allocation of resources

the state puts its interests before the natural course of the markets

the 2008 crisis was generated by the state lowering the interest rates and flooding the markets with free credit

read up on the austrian business cycle theory

lmao

thats not capitalism

dude, capitalism is FREEDOM of association, free markets and private property

you don't have private property nor a free market

are you allowed to keep your car without paying taxes on it?

are you allowed to not pay taxes on your private property?

did you ask for the state services?

did you sign a contract asking for the protection of an army?

BY OWNERS, RATHER THAN BY THE STATE

DID YOU READ THAT?

Thats not capitalism dude

its something else

we are arguing semantics here

capitalism is absent of state coercion or control

I don't know if you read that

thats a ad logicum falacy

Oranges are round and apples are rounded therefore your mom is gay

gotcha

can we get vc going

what do you mean by far right

I'm against any sort of slave-morality based political system

can you guys join voice chat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pADaCLqhP1E

how is it not socialist

have you read the party goals?

they put the german people over everything, even private interest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

yeah, pretty much

dude, that is why its NATIONAL socialism, not marxian socialism

it doesn't care about the workers of the world, it cares about the people of the land

Socialists love humanity but hate their brothers

semantics are subjective

its not post modernism

but you can't prove that do

you can only agree upon definitions

whatcha doing here anfash

well I got in through an invite that was sent in LP aswell

Socialism was not invented by Marx

it works, but it doesn't hold up to marx claims

he claimed that socialism was the most efficient way to allocate resources and that claim clearly hasn't proved itself

compared to a free market

the depression was caused by state intervention along with the FED, there was an immense supply of credit with artificial interest rates

america does not have a free market