Cirno tagged us all in there

@svpreme
>socialism is when the gov does stuff
>every gov does stuff
>conclusion: every country is socialist

Nigga

Ofc

lol

wtf I love socialism now

well I got in through an invite that was sent in LP aswell

LP?

To abide by marxist logic is to state that Proudhon and the Chartists were not socialists

When they clearly were

Socialism was not invented by Marx

Yet did not wholly advocate for the total ownership of the means of production

@fen exactly

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Proudhon was an anarchist

I didn't say that Marx invented socialism

In fact he admitted it himself

But socialist system invented by Marx is the only socialist system that has worked atm

inb4 muh communism doesn't work

He was a libertarian socialist @Advocatus Diaboli

it works, but it doesn't hold up to marx claims

That's what you call him

>has worked

???

he claimed that socialism was the most efficient way to allocate resources and that claim clearly hasn't proved itself

He called himself that lmao

compared to a free market

Market Socialism

@fen cue BUT MUH EXPLOITATION

If you can solve issues with planning

Its really good

Proudhon called himself an anarchist

Free Market Socialism is pretty cool

Soviet socialism worked pretty well until market reform of 1965

Think about that

There is no such thing as publicly enforced socialism. It would have to be libertarian at the very least.

Worked really well yeah, like with the (((reeducation))) and the (((collectivization)))

It did tho

Industrializaton in 10 years, post-war reconstruction, little foreign help

Meanwhile in the West

'shit, the Depression and it won't stop'