It depends on the circumstances

@Malt_Hitman , actually nowadays they should take insulin

This is the 21st century 😃

Well we now are seeing male hemophiliacs have progeny for the first time in Earth history. Why? Because modern medicine!

Now *there* is an ethical dilemma for you.

I predict within another 200 years human beings will be entirely birthed with C-sections. Why? Modern Medicine! Women who died in childbirth now have kids and pass genes on that are not conducive to vaginal births.

I'm damn glad of that or I wouldn't have kids and my wife might be dead.

@Malt_Hitman , that's a political and not a medical question

I'm a doctor not a politician, Jim!

:p

Mmmm, brains. (hey, it's almost Halloween :p )

@Malt_Hitman , what get brought up? Why should live and who should die?

Oh, they do

But no, we don't judge

Most hospitals are non-profit and exist to serve everyone

I won't work for a for-profit. My profession is my vocation.

That said, insurance companies tinker with it. But ultimately that's a political debate. We're having it right now. It's called pre-existing conditions.

@Grenade123 , as is often the case, this is a very selective presentation. Still watching.

In can tell you that non-profit hospitals are suffering

Medicaid pays about 75% of the cost (not charges) it takes to treat patients

Medicare pays about 95%

Commercial insurance about 120% but that has to offset the other moneylosers

My particular health system made a 0.7% margin two years ago

@Jasse, you lost me at the "American College of Pediatricians". An organization of about 500 members compared to the American Academy of Pediatrics with about 64,000 members

https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/AAP-Policy-Statement-Urges-Support-and-Care-of-Transgender-and-Gender-Diverse-Children-and-Adolescents.aspx

http://www.aappublications.org/news/2018/09/17/transgender091718

We're not talking popularity, we're talking professional associations and their collective wisdom

The ACP pretty much only addresses issues related to GLBT and abortion. The APP addresses everything pediatrics, which makes sense since they are the professional home of just about every pediatrician out there.

@Jasse, I think it speaks to the intensity with which such people experience whatever they are experiencing

If someone spends $100,000 of their own money and perseveres through humiliation and hardship, can't you give them some credit for the validity of their experience?

lol

Bwahahahaha

I managed to dodge that bullet

I have other addictions

If it's not hurting anyone, @Jasse , why not?

Good one

Oh wait

I'm religious

Sigh

@Malt_Hitman , I see it as an issue of liberty

How does trans "hurt the health of the nation"? I'm not speaking of individuals, I'm speaking of the entire class.

@Bookworm, what reality is being denied?

@Jasse, no one is castrating children. At least not in the US. Surgery is not an option until the age of consent.

@GingaBomber , or there's sperm or egg feezing

@Jasse, puberty blockers are temporary. Just stop the drugs and BOOM, puberty happens

@JustTom , I respect your perspective, sir. thank you.

I am vociferous against anything permanent being done with kids under 16yo, and no surgery until age of consent.

But delaying puberty to permit the kid to make their own decision as they get older? Why not? Isn't that liberty?

What is wrong about giving kids the opportunity to make their own choice when they get old enough to consent?

Puberty has a lot of side effects

Go back a few hundred years and puberty between 14-16yo was not unusual

It's only due to the modern high-protein diet that we have puberty so early

Actually, @JustTom , it can and it does

We use drugs to delay puberty - it's called precious puberty

Thank you, @Grenade123

Now I will back up and say I'm not sure how to feel about the recent "trendiness" or trans

That said, trans has been around for a very long time. Dr Benjamin wrote about it in the 1930's.

I would *never* propose that be done for every child

ever

never

no way

Where did that come from?!?

Iran? You do know they forcibly transition gay men, right?

*faceplam*

*headdesk*

I'm craaazzzzyyyyy

https://media.makeameme.org/created/but-i-know.jpg

The trans people I relate to just want to transition and disappear

Hallelujah!

@Undead Mockingbird , there's so much troll there I can't see the bridge

Here's a question, @Jasse. If no one is harmed by a mental illness, why should we care?

@FunnyStarRunner , I'll defend someone else's liberty, but I certainly don't want to live like women in Saudi Arabia.

That said, I must say I have envied my Muslim colleagues their hijab on bad hair days...

Words, must find words...

Roman Catholic priests are child abusers by huge margins. Should we disband the Roman Catholic Church?

Then again, that might not be a good analogy to use...

My kids did just fine with two moms

One daughter and one son

High school senior and college sophomore

Well adjusted and my son especially is crazy smart

He's already taking higher calculus than I ever did in all my years of school

@Jasse so even if you force "gays" to be straight then the problem would still be there...assuming I accept those numbers which I do not

Because these numbers practically establish that gay is genetic. Thanks for making a key point for me.

/sarcasm

lol

I can assert that my wife and I have never molested a child, never had AIDS, and the only case of STD I ever got was my one hetero relationship in high school 😦

Pinworms

I know gay men, too. Gentlemen all.

Great dates

lol

I'm 47 years old and my face has more wrinkles than Jasse's virgin rear end

Mew

I've noticed

Back for more fun tomorrow 😃

@ryuplaneswalker , If we're counting politician shooting victims, we need to include Rep Giffords then so the score is even.

We could include Pres Reagan but then we have to include Pres Kennedy.

So bottom line, it's even and i hope we add no more tick marks to the list

Yes, but it was part of the same destructive politics

There were plenty of headlines about Scalise, too

I think there was plenty of press about the anthrax about 15 years ago