@Happy Humble Hermit No SJW bs?

@Happy Humble Hermit I just don't like the left pushing their sjw shit down my throat lol. So that's good. 😃

@Happy Humble Hermit Loved your collab with Sunrise and Reverend20piece. Hope you get a convo with tfm soon, would be great.

What I don't get is, why even bother gaming the system though. All this effort for what really? Most guys, historically speaking, married for steady sex. Nowadays though, you don't need to marry to get sex. Marriage for men is all downsides, no benefit at all. Worse, besides financial rape, all statistics show there's less sex when married if anything. It's pointless lol.

The idea many men have that they "should" marry at all, just boggles my mind.

@GingerSnaps Yea many men are just brainwashed it's something they should do.

@Happy Humble Hermit He was basically a guy who has read red pill stuff, but hasn't internalized any of it.

yea, while using red pill terms, so that says it all

His daughters will think: "look at my dad, he went for a post-wall woman working in a grocery store, while being financially secure, so I will always have options, no matter what i do". Awesome parenting.

hypocrite in his mind = I'm the bigger man, I'm older, I have red pill knowledge, I know what I'm doing "kid"

@Happy Humble Hermit Now imagine that outside the red pill/mgtow community, that's most guys. It's disappointing.

@Happy Humble Hermit I agree. I really want to red pill enough men to change the course. But then again, I'm also a history buff and I believe that history is cyclical.

I've talked to so many people who think: "we are more advanced, things like the fall of Rome won't happen to us, it's delusional". Technological advancement is relative, it's just a matter of time. History will repeat itself.

@shadowlessnexus Transhumanism is the answer, but we're ways off. Imo the reason why we're in this cycle is we're limited by our DNA. It's the reason we as people and civilizations don't learn from our mistakes.

@shadowlessnexus I agree. There was a bachelor tax in Rome, long story short it didn't work.

@Reaper Agreed

During the last century of the Roman Empire all kinds of things were tried to basically get men back to the plantation, but men didn't want to. There was a lot of sleeping around, homosexuality, out of wedlock babies, they were taxed to hell and on top of that because Christianity became the dominant religion their warring nature became more of "turning the other cheek" nature so to speak. I don't want to sound negative, but imo it's inevitable.

@Reaper I personally think Trump, while he's definitely not perfect, will be the last voice of reason. The left is importing more people who will vote for them and on top of that where are right wing voters gonna come from (even if they're gynocentric), conservative women aren't having babies as well. Not enough anyway.

@Kragt What I personally can't get behind from "The Rational Male" is "The Burden of Performance". I mean, why, he puts it in a gynocentric way. You as a man have to "perform" for the female or else she won't accept you. Which is true, but why do it for a female at all? 😄

@RP Nah i get it, but I'm just saying it's his blind spot. His gynocentric blind spot.

@Kragt I don't believe in "have to". I choose what I want to do, not because someone else man or woman finds it useful, but i guess it depends on where one works/what his profession is.

@Kragt Yea, well I just looked at my own experience and at statistics and at other men's experiences and I concluded: fuck it, no marriage and children for me.

@RP I agree, sex outside of fwb/one night stands was my thing for a long time. Now I'm more monk and sometimes fwb, but I get it we as men have to be careful nowadays with metoo etc.

@Kragt True, but there comes a time when as a guy i thought: fuck it, I don't care what anybody thinks men or women. But I agree: men see other men that way.

@Kragt Of course, I do what I need to do for myself, but it ends there for the most. I help some buddies sometimes, but outside that, nah.

@Happy Humble Hermit Not to suck your dick, but hey, you're a reasonable guy in a mist of bullshit.

@shadowlessnexus lol

@shadowlessnexus I'm just saying, there a re so many messages that don't help men, and Hermit is one that does, that's all. Let's not forget, most guys are blue pill.

@Prinz Eugen Marxism FTW. And remember: men and women are soooo not different, we're the same, but if you wanna keep her: "it's your job, just be alpha and keep frame brah". lol

@Prinz Eugen IKR

@Prinz Eugen Of course, they just seek security. Problem is it's at the expense of men, as net tax payers. Female independence = male slavery.

@Prinz Eugen Yap, preaching to the choir here. Too much bitch thinking with modern men.

@Prinz Eugen The problem is you need to red pill enough men. Basically every guy outside the red pill/mgtow community thinks like a gal.

That's what we get with single mothers raising boys or just mothers raising them not to be men in general.

@Prinz Eugen We're at stage 4 cancer, it's exactly like the last century of the Roman Empire.

Except for the fact Islam doesn't stimulate technological advancement, so you'd eventually be living in a shithole.

@Prinz Eugen Don't think it'll happen as soon as we'd like, civilizations have a way of lingering on long after it's already failed.

@shadowlessnexus Exactly, my problem with the collapse scenario is: after that, female nature would still be the same, having to deal with hypergamy etc. So if guys are up for that, be my guest, but I'm like nah.

@Prinz Eugen If it's about DNA or legacy, you do realize that after a couple generations almost none of your DNA would exist right and it's not like you can watch your DNA walking around when you're dead.

@Prinz Eugen So why bother with kids, you can't even enjoy seeing your descendants. And even if you could, a couple generations later your DNA is practically non-existent.

@Happy Humble Hermit The thirst, it's real man. It's beyond pathetic.

@Happy Humble Hermit Although most American women are overweight, so it's not too surprising.

Yea

"All women are beautiful". lol

😄

Not according to women. :p

Haha, yep.

Yup.

Still being a whore. :p

As in she actually was haha

It's a symbol of the times we live in. Guy reconquers the western roman empire, but his wife still slept around.

= can't please women.

@shadowlessnexus Yep, even though he reconquered most of the western roman empire.

@shadowlessnexus Well general Belisarius to be honest, but still.

@shadowlessnexus Haha, yep.

Haha yeah, it wasn't the empire's bank account, status or his power, so yea

@ToastMcGhost A Timeless truth. :p

Well, or maybe, he just had better game, was more alpha and don't forget knew how to maintain frame. 😄

Don't forget "stunning".

Fact is, the west has already failed, people just don't know it yet. Just like the last century of the Roman Empire and others before it. Will we see some ups and several more downs sure, but it's already over. Not to sound negative, history just proves this, there's no way around it. We're definitely living in the decline. Enjoy it as much as possible.

oh lol

Well, you need to red pill enough men. While we do have the internet now and other tech other civs didnt have, it doesn't really preclude a collapse as "most" people think. People I talk to always think it won't happen to us because of our tech, but that's what every civ before us thought as well. Each of those empires were the most powerful and most advanced at its time.

@ziyauren Exactly. Problem is people always think: we have this thing they don't have: be it drones, satellites, advanced weaponry, but people don't realize those things have little to do with preventing a collapse. It has more to do with internal factors which can be exploited by external factors, but even that's not absolutely necessary.
My personal theory is that the reason we keep failing as civilizations and why history is cyclical is that we're limited by our DNA from a macro perspective. That's why i believe transhumanism is the only real permanent solution.

Problem is our current state of biodiversity leads to the current situation (as it's always been) so there always be more "losers" than "winners". People can be losers because of economic reasons etc. of cource, but genes do play a huge role. If we could make people more capable by DNA alterations, maybe we can escape the cycle, but aside from that I don't think we can escape the cycle. Diversity in DNA will always leads there to be inequality in iq/skill and from I can see from history, "losers" always outbreed "winner", which always is the reason civs collapse eventually.
So without altering DNA, I don't think we can escape the cycle, no matter where we go, the tech we have or which policies we implement.

@ziyauren Haha.

@VenomousHawk86 Nah, you have to zoom out more, a more macro historical perspective. Because of our biodiversity, there will always be some "revolutionary" or people who believe what they consider "equality". History shows it's always been this way. Even if you create a system as you suggest, it's inevitable there will be some people somewhere in some time that considers your point of view "unacceptable".

@VenomousHawk86 It's not a bad idea, I'm just saying from a multi civ perspective it wouldn't change much. We'd still be stuck in the same cycle.

@ziyauren Exactly.

Which is why every civ encountered the same problems we are having now. Hence, why I think DNA altering is the only perm solution.

It's scifi now, I get it. I'm not saying this will happen in our time obviously, but I don't see a way to escape the cycle in another way. The reason we are in a historical cycle is because "our DNA collectively is broken" imo. We'd have to remove the possibility of there be people existing who could possibly create the problems we have now, just who created those problem in the previous civs. Else history will just repeat itself.

But how do you prevent there from being people who believe in equality/marxism etc and other bullshit which contradicts nature, those people will always exist in some time and place in the future without DNA altering and will cause another collapse and again etc.

I mean we've been going through this cycle for thousands of years and multiple civs. At some point you gotta acknowledge it's us as people (our DNA), from a macro perspective, and not something that can be altered at any other level.

Because it's worked so far? Never has so far, as we can glance from the historical record.

@ziyauren But that's the point, we're not sterile, but we haven't escaped the cycle either, not even once as a species.

But all the species has demonstrated is the cycle, nothing else.

@ziyauren We can modify our environment sure, we always have. In fact every civ has improved all kinds of things. But every civ has encountered that same majority of individuals whom eventually caused its downfall.

DNA alteration isn't stagnation, it's escaping the cycle imo. Why would you think after so many failed cycles, things will change significantly at any time.

@ziyauren I agree. Well, when I say DNA alterations and how we change it and in which specific way, that's a diff discussion. Could have to do with making everyone "equal", could have to do with altering it in such a way "losers" won't exist. That's a whole different discussion. I'm just saying without altering it in any way that we, as a species, won't escape the cycle, if we take history as a barometer.

@ziyauren True, theoretically we could alter DNA in such a way people would be more close together, in such a way that the phenotypes won't have as many deviations in the DNA so that we won't have as many "losers" in the future. The only reason they collapse civs is because there are too many of them. So if we can reduce the deviations in the DNA to make people "more equal", we have a bigger chance we won't have the same outcome as previous civs.

Well it repeats itself in the sense civs collapse. Every one has so far.

@ziyauren I actually need to go as well. Was a very good conversation though. We should continue it sometime. Thanks.

Hehe, yea sure.

Laters man

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon Feminism is just female nature politicized.

@Happy Humble Hermit Besides personal experience that if I don't release often enough I get wet dreams, on top of top all medical studies I've seen shows release has multiple positive hormonal/receptor consequences. No-fap makes no sense on a personal or scientific level.

@Gaarak Yea, the yellow vests are more of a uprising against the establishment from the left as well as the right, a populist uprising if you will, but France like most nations is still gynocentric. I don't think the yellow vest movement will change that for now.