@ziyauren Exactly. Problem is people always think: we have this thing they don't have: be it drones, satellites, advanced weaponry, but people don't realize those things have little to do with preventing a collapse. It has more to do with internal factors which can be exploited by external factors, but even that's not absolutely necessary.
My personal theory is that the reason we keep failing as civilizations and why history is cyclical is that we're limited by our DNA from a macro perspective. That's why i believe transhumanism is the only real permanent solution.

your 4 basic human behaviours r survival, reproduction, social advancement, and hope... all human endeavor is based in one or more of these behaviours

the four basic reproductive factors r the hypergamous/dominance instincts and the r and k reproductive strategies

the four elements that could alter these r life extension, removing women as reproductive gatekeepers, automation, and extraterrestrial resource acquisition...

yo this hearts my bran ~~yo~~

sry... its not a light subject and i have studied it for 50yrs n the best i can do is start a conversation about it...lol

i doubt we can do enuff about it to avert the completion of this cycle...

Problem is our current state of biodiversity leads to the current situation (as it's always been) so there always be more "losers" than "winners". People can be losers because of economic reasons etc. of cource, but genes do play a huge role. If we could make people more capable by DNA alterations, maybe we can escape the cycle, but aside from that I don't think we can escape the cycle. Diversity in DNA will always leads there to be inequality in iq/skill and from I can see from history, "losers" always outbreed "winner", which always is the reason civs collapse eventually.
So without altering DNA, I don't think we can escape the cycle, no matter where we go, the tech we have or which policies we implement.

altering dna has too many unknowns.... we prolly need to work w/what we have

god i sound like tyrel n bladerunner talkin to roy now...lol

@ziyauren Haha.

No Justin, winner can outbreed losers, the problem is civilisations keep creating environment where losers can breed more, like modern day with welfare, if a country implemented a system of a parents requiring a licence to have a kid, then losers wouldn’t be able to reproduce as much and it’ll be like nature when loser just die out and winners breed

the problem is as much in dominance as it is n hypergamy... the natural extreme of hypergamy is gynocentrism and the natural extreme of dominance is statism.... right bak to the ying n yang again😩

@VenomousHawk86 Nah, you have to zoom out more, a more macro historical perspective. Because of our biodiversity, there will always be some "revolutionary" or people who believe what they consider "equality". History shows it's always been this way. Even if you create a system as you suggest, it's inevitable there will be some people somewhere in some time that considers your point of view "unacceptable".

Hey, who is out resident Brazilian? I know we have at least one.

god... m still soundin like tyrel....lol

Yeh I only just recently came up with this, I suppose it only really addresses problems like single mum intentionally removing father figures from their brood of 5 different men for the sake of child support

@VenomousHawk86 It's not a bad idea, I'm just saying from a multi civ perspective it wouldn't change much. We'd still be stuck in the same cycle.

@Kazemaru @PhoenixK7PB Brazilians rise up

single moms n welfare states n all that are only symptoms of the gynocentrism/ statism conflict problem that occur n one form or anoother n every civ

@ziyauren Exactly.

Which is why every civ encountered the same problems we are having now. Hence, why I think DNA altering is the only perm solution.

dna modification only intensifies the complexity.... it doesn't solve the prob... don't fix what ain't broken😉

It's scifi now, I get it. I'm not saying this will happen in our time obviously, but I don't see a way to escape the cycle in another way. The reason we are in a historical cycle is because "our DNA collectively is broken" imo. We'd have to remove the possibility of there be people existing who could possibly create the problems we have now, just who created those problem in the previous civs. Else history will just repeat itself.

actually the four by four by four solution i spoke of b4 is the only thing i've seen that has potential... they can if properly executed could alter n stop the next cycle from completing...

Legit the biggest step any civilisation will have to make is removing one gender from the equation, wether it be by puppy milling women, sperm milking men, or the best solution, replace women with the artificial womb and sex dolls and boom half of our species which are incompetent vindictive children die out and man can reach their full potential

But how do you prevent there from being people who believe in equality/marxism etc and other bullshit which contradicts nature, those people will always exist in some time and place in the future without DNA altering and will cause another collapse and again etc.

no ... not removing the gender but changing its role

Yeh that’s better wording z

the gender is needed for evolutionary survival but is destructive in its current implementation

But women would die out though, if they are replaced by artificial wombs and sex dolls they will just die out?

we wouldn't want this to become the evolutionary filter for intelligent species n cause a fermi paradox result

How so, wouldn’t replacing women prevent a Fermi paradox?

even with artificial wombs the maintanance of surrogate mothers would block their extinction n give them value

I believe I read somewhere that sperm can be repurposed into an egg of sorts though

it might prevent it but we can't know and it would limit our options which is a bad thing evolutionarily

I mean we've been going through this cycle for thousands of years and multiple civs. At some point you gotta acknowledge it's us as people (our DNA), from a macro perspective, and not something that can be altered at any other level.

I don’t remember the source I’d have to look for it

can't throw the baby out w//the bath water... a very bad idea

Because it's worked so far? Never has so far, as we can glance from the historical record.

and technically its not actually broken jus improperly used