!agree

LMAO destiny totally BTFOd sargon jesus christ

yikes

If (disagree) then (call buzzword;current=NPC)

i dont know how to code because im not a stemcuck but if you guys actually want to tell me why sargon won then please go on

sure

do u actually want to have a conversation?

Let me just totally poison the well so no one wants to talk to you LOL

Sargon failed to bring up any actual consequences for expanding the definitions of "man" or "woman"

negative consequeneces*

holy shit dude you're so triggered

does anyone actually want to talk?

why

hi dude

Can you bring up any negative consequences for expanding the definitions for man or woman?

You can expand the definition without actually taking a stance on the sports issue

its entirely separate

Oh then we dont disagree that one guy

No what you just said is absolutely not true Notorious

Women = everyone who identifies as feminine Man = everyone who identifies as masculine

literally no issue at all

why

@MountainMan Nope only the gender terms.

Notorious what does that mean?

its some biological women + some biological men but what brings them together is that they all identify as feminine

So when someone walks into the mens room and looks exactly like a woman you'd have an issue with that?

because thats exactly what doing it by biology would cause

Then what the fuck is your problem?

You just dont want vags in the mens room?

are you looking at everyones genitals when you walk into the bathroom?

it literally doesnt matter

Thats pretty creepy holy shit

you look at men's penises in the bathroom?

you sound like a predator

You guys are laughing but thats legit the most brainlet stance ever

"i dont want vags in the mens room and i can tell because i look at everyones genitals"

So if you guys are normal, and you dont look at people's genitals, you should have no problem with having trans people go to the bathroom of their choice

thats what we just figured out

so thats pretty nice

Werlf no, you'd be lying, and you also would probably not be dressed like a woman

and if you actually perv on people youll get caught

A therapist can probably tell

and youll get one when you get tried for sexual assault

We're talking about if they assault someone or do something pervy

if they dont then whats the issue lol

Yep im a communist totally

@Werlf what is stopping a perv/pedo RIGHT NOW from walking into a bathroom and sexually assaulting someone?

Yeah but a male pedo can walk into a man's bathroom and rape a young kid

right now

are you guys upset over that?

or is it just the trans stuff

not always

but they really dont even need to lie about their identity

they can do it right now

well trans people have been using the bathrooms of the gender they identify for years now anyway LOL

what does that even mean lol

@Nordhand What you linked sounds like a case of absolutely god awful implementation

My ideal implementation honestly would just be to never enforce the law we have right now for trans people, and like literally no issue would ever happen lol

youre not gonna know someone is trans unless you peak their genitals

which maybe lonegunman does that but i dont

@Ondsinet sometimes. I mean they generally try to appear like the gender they identify as, but if they tell you their gender you should respect that

@Ondsinet Because I want people to respect my gender identity. I wouldnt like it if people all started treating me like a girl

@Ondsinet I don't know, but I say probably not because trans people have gender dysphoria, so rejecting their gender identity is much more harmful than if you did it to a cis person

wait is this the sub for debate

did i break the law for talking about trans people in the general chat?

FRICK

oh ok

well now its crowded over there and no one is talking to me anymore

if anyone thinks that sargon won the debate with destiny, pls tell me why

it was pretty good

@Ondsinet The DSM-5 does not categorize transgenderism as a mental illness, and i agree with that. I think that treating schizophrenia is a much different process

why for which statement

Hey look at me im layman who knows nothing about psychology at all and i dont have a degree or anything also the DSM-V bad because i said so

literal NPC

you have experience looking at genitals in bathrooms

the data absolutely does not show that

unless by "usual" you mean the general population

Which of course its still going to be higher than the general population

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

Sex reassignment isnt perfect but it still lowers suicide rates

So you guys agree with that then?

the data supports sex reassignment surgery so far

i think we should be good then

oh frick i said that a while ago

i just dont see why we cant change the definition and then also say "hold on, lets see if we can find a better solution to this problem before integrating trans people into different sports"

ive thought about it and theres no easy solution that doesnt end up screwing over some group

thats one solution and i dont like it

it would just increase bullying at like the high school level

And lone gunman you realize in the age of phrenology, race meant something completely different?

we changed that for political reasons

was that wrong?

ok so race should still be based on phrenology which is literally pseudoscience

3000 iq

what?

it was both unscientific and inaccurate

what?

We dont need a different term. Woman would mean everyone who identifies as feminine

oh no