for the sport thing we just hold off on letting trans people compete in the league for the gender they identify as

but that doesnt mean they arent women

@Ondsinet The issue isnt about gender identity the issue is that it is unfair for biological women

no one is advocating for forcing any kind of language change btw

through law

@Ondsinet in what situation?

so he was a teacher

Thats a little different from you randomly calling someone a man in public

In a statement released by the Christian Legal Centre on Sunday, the religious lobby group claimed Sutcliffe hadn’t received formal training on how to refer to the pupil – and referred to being transgender as a ‘delusion’.

uhhhh

not a mental illness

the problem isnt the brain its the body

that sounds like more of a muslim issue than a trans issue lol but ill read it anyway

"Carruthers called the transgender complainant, clarifying that his company does not provide waxing services to men. His "waxer," a Muslim woman, refuses to wax male parts on the basis of her religious convictions that it would violate Sharia (Islamic religious law) to do so. Carruthers also told the complainant that no other staff were available to perform the request."

holy shit so this is actually religion vs trans people

^ "Classical liberal" im guessing

yep totally

yes

that has nothing to do with gender

what

Cut foot for literally nothing to do with gender at all

vs surgically change sexual organs because of gender identity

2 different things dude

he should have been allowed to debate, unless theres something missing here

but i literally dont advocate for that

what is that an argument against

because it just sounds like "lets keep researching this stuff so we can have a better idea of how to treat it"

lol

NO IT DOESNT HOLY SHIT

I JUST LINKED THAT LIKE 10 MINUTES AGO

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

its comparing with the GENERAL POPULATION

of COURSE they will have higher suicide rates than the general population

oh btw the same researcher from that study also answered the question of whether or not its a mental illness

spoiler alert: no

1 Being trans/gender diverse is not by it selves a mental health problem, but being trans/gender diverse increases the risk of other factors which contributes to less good mental health. For example being exposed to childhood maltreatment, discrimination in work situations, being victims of hate crimes and sexual abuse, having problem to access health care etc..

oh and she also refutes the whole "lol amputating ur foot is the same as gender dysphoria"

Gender identity denotes someone perceptions of what gender they belong do, female, male or some other gender. I agree with you that what someone puts into the concept of having one gender identity is partly based on social contruct which differ in countries, cultures and time periods. However regardless of that most people also have an inner feeling of what gender they belong to. One of the differences of people seeks leg amputation is that gender-affirming treatment has been done since 1960. Several studies have shown that the treatment reduces gender dysphoria, and improves mental health (Murad et al 2010) and that there are few regrets to the procedure (Dhejne et al 2014). So even if it is difficult to understand especially if one is not gender dysphoric the treamtent works. Some people might still have problem even after treatment but this is mostly caused by other things and at least they don’t suffer from gender dysphoria any more.

congrats

what does that have to do with anything lol

you were joking?

oh ok then

literal boomer meme

Just so u guys kno im leaving now. I had fun talking with (some) of you. Take it easy

!agree

wait im confused, why did the ethnic cleanser bot kick me?

no it did it before i left

im so confused

i thought it kicked me

or banned or something