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@Hellstorme is that really your position on late term abortions or were you being ironic

hellstorme the problem with your position on abortion is that your parallel with it and self-defence can't be used to justify *all* abortions

i know. i'm saying that's what your position implies

are you for abortions categorically?

when the baby threatens the mother's life?

ok well thats the kind of abortion implied by the self-defence paralle

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ok so how are you even justifying your position then

but you can't know in all cases that a fetus is a danger to your life. that's the problem

i accept that, but your application to abortion is far too broad

we can't always know if the baby is life threatening. people have abortions for far less after all. but you don't accept those

lol it's not a strawman when i'm just working out your position

are you going to be these fallacy jerkoffs

no, i'm trying to make sense of your stance on abortion. you drew a parallel to self-defence. that's a problem, because abortion isn't always decided on whether the baby is a threat

ok. when a baby threatens a mother's life. but didn't you say that wasn't the form you defend

whether it's conscious or not in some circumstances it's physically a threat to the life of the mother

that's the 1 form of abortion you defend is all i'm asking

well i'm not trying to trap you i just want to know exactly which form of abortion you defend

so you are in favor of abortion categorically...

so if i decide "fuck having a kid" in my 48th trimester that's cool

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i never insulted you

"My argument isn't designed to convince you that my opinion on abortion is correct" isn't this kinda weird? so you have multiple, possibly contradictory opinions about things and deploy one or the other to fuck with people?

it's not irrelevant now, when someone wants to know what it actually is

dude you gave a position. you weren't just generically talking about something in the world. you took a position on the topic

that's fine. and that 1 form of abortion seems to me to mean "life-threatening pregnancy," hence the self-defence parallel. but you disagree?

we both agree that abortion should be restricted to that 1 case. the problem we're facing are all these laws that have expanded abortion far beyond restricted cases. it sounded like you were flirting with that a bit but now we've worked it out

you're mistaking dialogue for an attempt to put words in your mouth

"Either human life is inherently sacred, or it is not." false dichotomy. you can take the first position without any belief in life being sacred. there are very few pro-lifers who would deny a young woman an abortion for a rape baby

"you're assuming my position"

there is obviously a continuum where you have life-is-sacred pro-lifers on the edge and limited-case pro-lifers further down the line

absolutely not

pro-lifers don't necessarily believe life is sacred. they simply recognize the rights we afford to beings who come into the world

look are you guys incapable of noticing that there are many ways to take the pro-life position? it's not a monolith

what's anecdotal?

and i'm here telling you that's a false dichotomy

because i can fulfil every qualification of your 1st group without giving a shit about what's sacred

i can be for the death penalty and pro-life and not have a care in the world about sanctity.

nope. it's about rights and justice

you get there by recognizing that certain behaviours shouldn't be legally tolerated. sanctity of life not required. if we populate our societies with criminals who are only ever imprisoned, or women who abort their children instead of raising families, we can agree that's probably a bad deal without relying on any religious language. many libertarians believe this, i'm surprised it's so alien in a server populated by liberalists

i think abortion in certain limited cases is fine. in fact in the earliest stages of pregnancy, when a fetus is indeed a "cluster of cells," i think abortion is defensible. the problem is abortion at any stage of gestation, which is what NY just passed

no i didn't. you asked why criminal behaviour shouldn't be tolerated?

you're wondering about abortion or the death penalty

it's in our best interests. are you an antinatalist?

weird