Message from @swampy_maroon

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2017-06-07 07:25:12 UTC  

I spent 3 years

2017-06-07 07:25:19 UTC  

No,

2017-06-07 07:25:25 UTC  

St. Augustine spent 17 years before he converted.

2017-06-07 07:25:30 UTC  

I was saying I am not ignorant

2017-06-07 07:25:46 UTC  

If God is all knowing, he knew that the Devil would create evil. If God created the Devil, he also created evil. Unless he did not know it would happen.

2017-06-07 07:26:14 UTC  

Unless god was able to foresee that, and incorpate the free choice of the devil into his sovereign plan

2017-06-07 07:26:20 UTC  

Augustine when was he born Mros?

2017-06-07 07:26:52 UTC  

Would god be loving if he created robots with no free will

2017-06-07 07:27:06 UTC  

but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to use evil and turn it into good

2017-06-07 07:27:14 UTC  

Exactly

2017-06-07 07:27:29 UTC  

If man did not have free will it would be impossible for him to be good

2017-06-07 07:27:31 UTC  

Mro when was augustine born?

2017-06-07 07:27:37 UTC  

So evil is the same as good?

2017-06-07 07:27:46 UTC  

354

2017-06-07 07:28:09 UTC  

And what century would that be?

2017-06-07 07:28:16 UTC  

It's the 4th century

2017-06-07 07:28:17 UTC  

Did God know that the devil would create evil?

2017-06-07 07:28:20 UTC  

Yes.

2017-06-07 07:28:27 UTC  

Evil is that which does not elevate god as he should be

2017-06-07 07:28:52 UTC  

God made the being which made evil.

2017-06-07 07:28:52 UTC  

Thus, humanity would have turned to evil by turning away in shame and disobediance to god

2017-06-07 07:29:22 UTC  

Why would a loving God make a being which creates evil?

2017-06-07 07:29:39 UTC  

Would a loving god creating a reality where choice is not possible

2017-06-07 07:29:41 UTC  

Mros you realize they didn't have th evidence that contradicts the words in the bible

2017-06-07 07:29:51 UTC  

Yes.

2017-06-07 07:29:59 UTC  

>Implying the Bible contradicts

2017-06-07 07:30:00 UTC  

Really?

2017-06-07 07:30:08 UTC  

How loving to have no choice at all

2017-06-07 07:30:21 UTC  

Without free will man cannot be good

2017-06-07 07:30:31 UTC  

Love has nothing to do with choice.

2017-06-07 07:30:49 UTC  

And god has chosen in his divine forbearance to use the ill choice of the devil for good

2017-06-07 07:30:55 UTC  

A loving God will give man the choice to love him.

2017-06-07 07:30:59 UTC  

and triump over him through the person of Christ

2017-06-07 07:31:00 UTC  

Or to reject him

2017-06-07 07:31:15 UTC  

The literal incarnation of god in human form to conquer satan and sin forever

2017-06-07 07:32:03 UTC  

Why does love require choice?

2017-06-07 07:32:13 UTC  

ask yourself

2017-06-07 07:32:26 UTC  

If I gave you no choice on whether or not to enter into a marriage

2017-06-07 07:32:26 UTC  

If you are unable to reject something can you really say that you love it?

2017-06-07 07:32:35 UTC  

Would that be loving

2017-06-07 07:33:03 UTC  

Yes. I love my mother. No less because I dud not choose it.