They post the same arguments and do the exact same thing as most other Atheist facebook pages because Atheism, in general, has lost any sort of ability to formulate arguments.

The basic argument Im getting here is that Atheists are a laughing stock because they dont do research and you found this out purely from Facebook. I guess its easier to see hypocrisy when you embody it so well. Again unless you have done your research, third time saying that.

No, I've pretty much consumed most of the media - from Youtube to Facebook to the websites - and I can safely say that they are a laughing stock.

Which again isnt serious. So you are accuse them with no research of accusing you with no research. You could have defaulted to atheists who feel their superior simply because no religion are annoying as shit. But you doubled down doing exactly what they did that upsets you. Facebook and youtube isnt a reputable source. Unless you are omitting the theoretical literature and research papers you read. You have yet to cite an athiest source that would be comparable to the bible you want them to read. You are getting it from secomd hand and unreliable sources.

Like in defense of religion Rag linked to Summa Theologica

That is a reliable source

But Summa isn't a source

Its biased but its still more than a facebook or youtube

It's Aristotle style logic and reason to come to a conclusion

Well not primary but atill a studied resource to be used for reference

Ehzek I would like you to read it, even if it doesn't convert you I think you'd be a fan of that kind of philosophical writing

Its still open in a tab

The author is Catholic of course but it's often mandatory in Protestant seminary

Idk I feel that even if we havent come to an understanding between each other it still feels like we learned a bit nore about our own beliefs.

Its one thing to hold a belief but quite another to articulate it

I think among your people, Christianity is often very misunderstood

Devout atheists think we usually just have blind faith and believe things just because the Bible said so, the Church is/was anti science etc

I would argue most people dont have mastery of the concepts they oppose

Just more knowledge of what they support

So I'm happy to be able to stand up for the Church even in its historical contexts if not the theological basis

Well among the religious athiets are mainly seen as blind disbelievers so its not exactly one sided

Agreed

Sadly there are blind Christians

Often the people born and raised in it, never had to do any research or reasoning, they just took their faith for granted and can't defend it when challenged

And they also can't appreciate it

Im not even sure how blind atheists exist

If youbare atheists you should hold science in high esteem. If you do then you should accept that the chance of god isnt 0% so you cant be sure

Now or ever honestly

From our perspective, all atheists are closing their eyes... because to us, the evidence of God is everywhere

Eventually though, science can't explain everything

So even both sides have to admit, we don't always have the answer

There are always things we don't know

I would argue even if it did you probably wouldnt be able to learn it all and prove god didnt exist

So would you call yourself agnostic?

Idk

Well you admit that you don't know for sure that God doesn't exist

Ive heard that agnosticism is the belief in god and not religion but that isnt quite right

Nah

Agnostic is more belief than atheist

Agnostic means, doesn't know

Bottom left would be me

Top right is where the retards are

Which is probably why there is never any clarity on the terms

Top left are Nihilists. Top right are dogmatic Atheists. Bottom left are skeptical Theists. Bottom right are strongly religious.

Gnosis means knowledge in Greek. So agnostic means doesn't know. An atheist "knows" there is no God. A theist knows there is a God. An agnostic doesn't know either way.

So an agnostic at least admits there is a "possibility" of a god

I also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!

Am I doing this right?

Is it me or does anyone else get a laugh out of Atheists claiming that Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and Japan are good examples of "Atheist countries?"

anyone who claims japan is atheist is retarded

Oof

Even then, it's kind of stupid considering Japan isn't all sunshine and rainbows either.

shintoism

I worship my katana

Afer all, their fertility rate is the worst in the world and they also have one of the highest suicide rates on the planet.

"The Bible may be your holy book, but *Katana Mastery For Dummies* is my holy book"

**"I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE!"**

It’s possible to have a strong cultural identity and be an economic power without being ruled by Abrahamic religion, but you need a very strong IQ, homogeneous non-brown population, like Japan or Iceland.

i would say a big reason for both of that is their obsession with work

The only thing that saves them is being isolated from the rest of the world by being on an island.

Germany and the other European countries will not be atheist for very much longer, because they will be ruled by Islam.

And they won't be German, Swedish, or any of the nationalities they were before.

Having a strong, religious core is important for having a strong, healthy nation.

Here here!

Agreed

Down with sinners

Up with christ

Religion (whether worship of God or the state) is essential to having an orderly society if you don’t have a high IQ population.

Poor people and vagrants need the fear of God to keep them in line, otherwise the system descends into anarchy and degeneracy, like America and the UK.

No, it's not necessarily the fear of God, but the understanding of right and wrong, which comes from the authority of God.

If you understand right and wrong, society can govern itself without the need of the state.

In every successful society, the higher classes are usually less religious and prone to vice, but it balances out because they contribute the most. A poor person who is not intelligent won’t care about right or wrong, even if he knows the difference, because bad behavior will grant him more instant gratification.

That’s where the threat of being assfucked by demons in hell for all of eternity comes in.

Religion keeps people in line and gives them incentives not to degenerate society.

Needs more threat of being assfucked by right wing death squads

Also isnt Japan Shinto Buddhist and Cristian? How anyone can even begin they are atheists is beyond me. Their New Year traditons include going to a temple to pray then there is tanabata.

Shinto, buddhist, and a small population of Christians

They may not be religious but when it comes to superstitions a d spirituality the place is second to like maybe the vatican

also they straight up love western holidays (though they dont' celebrate the religious aspects, unless they *are* religious)

Christmas, Halloween, Valentine's, and Easter (i don't think it is as big though)

Christmas is winter nookie time

they love Christmas

to be fair if you dont love christmas you must be satanspawn

Like their Christmas shit rivals any western country

From what Ive seen

yes

and like in the US they have a lot of christmas songs

Most of Japan is non-Christian.

But Christmas has been kinda adopted by basically every culture

They still mostly believe in dieties and the supernatural. Im pretty sure atheist includes all spiritual and religious belief systems not just the ones with jesus.

Pretty sure Korea would be a better pick to start to claim that theyre athiests

They're not atheist, just not Christian. Most Japanese are Shinto and/or Buddhist

More than half of Koreans are Christian, somewhat more Protestant than Catholic

North Korea?

I thought you meant South

A significant number of NK are indigenous religions

Just under 2/3 nonreligious as far as we know.

I meant to type either but fair enough assertion.

Which music is more triggering to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvW1zX-FHWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAjHSFvigA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgovVdAJ_o

Asking what do you think most triggers Christians. Muslims will be 100% most triggered by 3rd one

Muslims seem to dislike metal in general

none of them are triggering, they're just annoying lol

one song that i like that is (judging by the lyrics) are pretty dislikey/disrespectful towards God is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5-I71MabNI

Most devil music sucks ass anyway, so it doesn't bother me

i don't like "music" where the "singing" is just *autistic screeching*

Same

Atheists are a part of the problem.

They basically claimed that it's religion that is leading to the passing of "hate speech laws" and are the ones who push "hate speech" while literally ignoring that the group that is pushing it the most aren't religious at all.

Religion does the opposite it restricting speech

If you have an eternal reward or punishment for doing wrong, then you often won't need temporal laws to enforce it

Protestantism, for instance, depends on free speech to exist.

Protestantism depends on the market of ideas to be relevant because each sect of it focuses on a particular aspect of Christianity. This, in turn, relies on them being able to sell their religious beliefs to other groups and, in turn, requires for there to be some form of protected speech in order to be able to sell these ideas to others. Hence why Protestant nations have the concept of free speech.

Also, the best part was that I commented on there about how Theists do not censor free speech, but someone is actively hiding my comments on the page so no one else can see my comments.

They are literally acting like massive hypocrites and it amuses me.

All Christians must believe in and rely on free speech and free thought

It's a basic foundation of the faith that we have free will to do good or evil

We freely choose sin, and are held responsible for our actions, otherwise the crucifixion of Jesus would be pointless because our sins wouldn't be our fault

well except calvinism, as i am pretty sure they dont think free will truly exists, because of predestination

Calvinists are pretty much non-existent because of free speech and the marketplace of ideas.

Also, I had an Atheist say they were going to report me for “trolling” on Atheist Republic’s page for simply expressing my opinions after the Atheist Republic made a post about how “religious” people are the ones advocating for hate speech laws and silencing free speech.

This is some pretentious shit if I’ve ever seen it.

Just goes to show Locke was right.

I didnt know you were Muslim lol

(((losing side of history)))

anyone who says that should be shot on sight

Yeah a handful of predestination denominations exist

Primitive Baptist

There's a few of those around my home town. They're almost like the amish. Don't think you should read the Bible in your own time.

Have Bible studies, missionaries, youth groups, pianos, etc.

We have a handful in the next county over...some have been using the same church building for 150+ years

The pulpit of one of them has a bullet scar from the Indian Wars in the 1870s

wow

Nearby graves go all the way back to the civil war

A handful of CSA buried there

My wife went to St Peter's when she was in grad school, construction was completed in 1626, and her church in Beijing was about that old, rebuilt several times though

I love that kind of history. Buildings older than this country that're still standing.

Same

Oldest place I've been in was a Buddhist temple in Chongqing

Been to all the stuff in St Augustine also, plus an 800 year old ruined castle in Guizhou

Crazy to think I've walked the same footsteps as people from a thousand years ago, possibly someone famous, like an emperor

Yeah, I know right

Sort of reminds me of the final line of that silly movie Wanted. "What the fuck have you done lately?"

Conquerors, pioneers, lords, etc have stood where I've stood. I'm working as a CAD slave in furniture lol

And there’s good old Saint John’s Church and Antioch Church.

Also, if anything, Atheism is the losing side of history because societies that become dominated by secular ideologies rapidly become authoritarian hellholes where no one wins.

Yep

Either they change when they have no other option (China) or they implode (Russia)

The executioner diary I was talking about, it's a really good, almost religious book. If the prisoner couldn't read, they were taught to read and preached to before their execution day so that even though they were gonna die for their crimes, they still had a chance to save their souls

This showed up on my Youtube for some reason. This show is hilarious. Actually how most "Does God exist?" type arguments turn out. As far as the simple concepts being argued.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-Cf6O0ogI

This is just for the lolz, not trying to bring up an argument by the way.

S H I B.

Also, what do you think would happen if you put all of the Atheists in the world on their own continent?

That scene from Event Horizon...

lol 😄

Seriously... Probably similar to like Bioshock 1.

All the athiests in the world forcefully relocated to their own continent? Australia 2 or the 4th Reich

At least after all the lol god is fake people settle down

Where as you do the same thing to all the religious people in the same area you get the middle east untill all the muslims get killed off. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.

More along the lines of "anarchy" or "brutal authoritarianism."

My point being is that Atheists have a very hard time forming a society because they have an inherent lack of belief.

And theist have a hard time melding with some other theists

A lack of belief is not very good when you want people to agree upon a system of belief to make society possible.

You put a bunch of people from all over the world in one spot its going to be a shit show whether they are atheists or theists

Unless reading the bible also magically make you able to understand one another.

LOL wot?

I'm an agnostic atheist.

(I don't know, but I think there isn't.)

So does that mean I am inherently uncivilized?

That has got to be the stupidest shit I have ever heard. You sit on a high horse because you worship a diety.

Go back to your chapel.

And Ehzek I support a 4th reich

Because I am a fascist.

I mean if there is one thing that unifies better than religion it is hate in a common enemy.

If all athiests were forced into one area I would think the most authoritarian would form a group to over power the rest and focus on revenge.

4th Reich would probably happen.

:^)

You bet.

@Iakovos Ehzek doesn't believe in God either, don't know why you're insulting him. We just had a weeklong debate about the origin of morality.

I was talking to Little Boots

Little Boots is the theist.

Oh sorry, my mistake

All good :)

No, but Atheism, as a larger group, is uncivilized. It's kind like like a Moderate Muslim. They aren't common and the general trend is to not be "moderate."

After all, Atheism has a habit of being associated with the most toxic, most self-destructive ideologies in history.

I AM RAGNAROS THE RELIGIOUS LORD
DIE INFIDEL!

@Deleted User @Little Boots Like my new avatar?

Is it triggering to Muslims? 😄

Looks crazy

my point was triggering

and wtf is this shit wibe

@Deleted User Did I succeed?

Everything triggers the left

You could put an AR, a cross, a male symbol, or even a trigger

I could just put a white guy

and they will REE NO DIVERSITY

😄

I was only trying to trigger muzzies

triggering leftists is just a byproduct

This'll do it for most

I like wow and hs tho

so Ragnaros the religious lord seems good

DIE INFIDEL

BURN INFIDEL

etc

Shia don't care too much about images of Mohammed but Sunni lose their shit

Needs trans Muhammad

Also Communism is good you retard

It kills communists

A thousand Buddha statues, no problem. Statues of Jesus, no problem. A cartoon of Mohammed, triggered af

Communism kills a handful of communists and millions of people who didn't want it

I cant find the trans Muhammad pic damn

Then they should've not wanted it harder

Muslims are triggered by all things.

They didn't want it about as hard as they could, those revolutions were bloody as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARnBgW5XgSo

is this religious?

China lost a million civilians a year

@Jirka yes but not the religion you think it is

It's Norse paganism

I never said it's christian @Deleted User

I just like this music

I like the Sabaton cover of Twilight of the Thunder God

https://youtu.be/19oUVarhM4Y

@Jirka try this

I LOVE THIS

😄

I know this channel well

He's got another one, Carolus Rex

How can I be a communist when I'm fascist?

I'm also an atheist 😛

Well, agnostic.

Fascism=/=Communis

Communism*

Fascism is closer to socialism than communism. All productive power harnessed by the state. But true socialists and facists believe in their system as an end, whereas communism believes it is just an intermediate step

@Iakovos Communist fascism is easy.

You just need to be Stalinist kek

I support Hitler and Mussolini.

Except for the genocide of Jews, simple deportation is fine.

National socialism

National Socialism is a brand of Fascism.

Fascism is the idea that the State is the most important thing in a nation.

I can't say I believe in the same thing or that I like Hitler but there is nothing wrong with loving your country and making it strong