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2018-07-03 02:57:14 UTC  

Well not primary but atill a studied resource to be used for reference

2018-07-03 02:57:18 UTC  

Ehzek I would like you to read it, even if it doesn't convert you I think you'd be a fan of that kind of philosophical writing

2018-07-03 02:57:37 UTC  

Its still open in a tab

2018-07-03 02:57:44 UTC  

The author is Catholic of course but it's often mandatory in Protestant seminary

2018-07-03 02:58:42 UTC  

Idk I feel that even if we havent come to an understanding between each other it still feels like we learned a bit nore about our own beliefs.

2018-07-03 02:59:01 UTC  

Its one thing to hold a belief but quite another to articulate it

2018-07-03 02:59:07 UTC  

I think among your people, Christianity is often very misunderstood

2018-07-03 02:59:44 UTC  

Devout atheists think we usually just have blind faith and believe things just because the Bible said so, the Church is/was anti science etc

2018-07-03 02:59:59 UTC  

I would argue most people dont have mastery of the concepts they oppose

2018-07-03 03:00:11 UTC  

Just more knowledge of what they support

2018-07-03 03:00:24 UTC  

So I'm happy to be able to stand up for the Church even in its historical contexts if not the theological basis

2018-07-03 03:01:31 UTC  

Well among the religious athiets are mainly seen as blind disbelievers so its not exactly one sided

2018-07-03 03:01:49 UTC  

Agreed

2018-07-03 03:02:00 UTC  

Sadly there are blind Christians

2018-07-03 03:02:43 UTC  

Often the people born and raised in it, never had to do any research or reasoning, they just took their faith for granted and can't defend it when challenged

2018-07-03 03:02:51 UTC  

And they also can't appreciate it

2018-07-03 03:03:11 UTC  

Im not even sure how blind atheists exist

2018-07-03 03:04:14 UTC  

If youbare atheists you should hold science in high esteem. If you do then you should accept that the chance of god isnt 0% so you cant be sure

2018-07-03 03:04:21 UTC  

Now or ever honestly

2018-07-03 03:04:29 UTC  

From our perspective, all atheists are closing their eyes... because to us, the evidence of God is everywhere

2018-07-03 03:04:51 UTC  

Eventually though, science can't explain everything

2018-07-03 03:05:07 UTC  

So even both sides have to admit, we don't always have the answer

2018-07-03 03:05:28 UTC  

There are always things we don't know

2018-07-03 03:05:32 UTC  

I would argue even if it did you probably wouldnt be able to learn it all and prove god didnt exist

2018-07-03 03:05:49 UTC  

So would you call yourself agnostic?

2018-07-03 03:05:58 UTC  

Idk

2018-07-03 03:06:17 UTC  

Well you admit that you don't know for sure that God doesn't exist

2018-07-03 03:06:23 UTC  

Ive heard that agnosticism is the belief in god and not religion but that isnt quite right

2018-07-03 03:06:29 UTC  

Nah

2018-07-03 03:06:37 UTC  

Agnostic is more belief than atheist

2018-07-03 03:06:56 UTC  

Agnostic means, doesn't know

2018-07-03 03:07:17 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451601956755210241/463541209701285909/agnostic_chart.png

2018-07-03 03:08:11 UTC  

Bottom left would be me

2018-07-03 03:09:10 UTC  

Top right is where the retards are

2018-07-03 03:09:44 UTC  

Which is probably why there is never any clarity on the terms

2018-07-03 06:04:41 UTC  

Top left are Nihilists. Top right are dogmatic Atheists. Bottom left are skeptical Theists. Bottom right are strongly religious.

2018-07-03 06:32:44 UTC  

Gnosis means knowledge in Greek. So agnostic means doesn't know. An atheist "knows" there is no God. A theist knows there is a God. An agnostic doesn't know either way.

2018-07-03 06:33:10 UTC  

So an agnostic at least admits there is a "possibility" of a god

2018-07-03 07:17:15 UTC  

I also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!

2018-07-03 07:17:22 UTC  

Am I doing this right?

2018-07-03 23:26:53 UTC  

Is it me or does anyone else get a laugh out of Atheists claiming that Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and Japan are good examples of "Atheist countries?"