Something extra

Addition to reality.

We there are many kinds morality, and one devolopes them as one grows up.

But there a underlinings human morality.

DO NOT COURSE HARM TO YOUR FELLOW HUMAN.

except if they are dicks.

What religion are you?

I'd tell you

Freelance Christian

Stalinist @ShadyMarxist

that I let my little gf because I was ashamed from the collective

it was seem as a bad thing and I couldn't stand it

I don't have this feeling now

@Arkras tell me more about it

I just study the Bible and make my own opinions about it.

For an exsample I don't believe a word of the old testament.

And I believe in Evolution.

@ShadyMarxist Are you there?

@Arkras What do you think of atheism?

@Blebleh I can see it's points, but it is just a sad way to look at life.

I wouldn't say so

I mean if there is no after life, there is only fear and sorrow.

I'm not scared nor sorrowed

I'd prefer being nothing

there is neither fear or sorrow

you don't think about it or feel it because you don't exist

@Arkras I've been in your position before. On the morality.

But the fear in life is the worst problem with atheism. @Blebleh

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@Arkras I'm alive and not in fear

If you believe in something you will maybe be rewarded in death, and even if that chance is 00,000001% then it is worth that belief.

@Arkras I found that abrahamic religions had philosophicalcontradictions and I rejected Christianity, even further; I'm glad that this authority doesn't exist... I wouldn't discard that there could be something unknown as there are many possibilities, but I don't know yet and I'm worried by what I can know and do now... other thing would mean being guided by deceivers or blind faith. Also as I said, I don't live in fear since if I die I wouldn't exist

why would I want to be rewarded in heaven, and who judges that?

What's the point in throwing away valuable time if there's only a small chance

Because you lose nothing if you believe in something, but you will maybe lose something if you don't.

I see that maybe to be highly unlikely

@Arkras It is better to do things without a reward. Are you a dog to get a reward? You should think only by yourself.

@Arkras That presupposes a God that must be destroyed by humans as it's evil; a God that values more in a reward for believing in him (and with effort) than what humans do

@Blebleh I think god just created us, and spends his time creating away in far away. I also think that we were not created directly by god, we are a work of evolution.

@Arkras Definition of communism in one word by Lenin is - Materialism.

But well i just think that we all should atleast be medium left.

So can't we talk about that?

@ShadyMarxist believing in morals does not make one a idealist

@Arkras then from another socdem is going to grow a new Fascist.

It all will come up together with maturity.

More authority with the same views

Fascism

But SD are capitalists?

@Arkras and you against revolutionary blood?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

believing in morals doesn't make one an idealist but its a pretty good chance that any given moralist is a massive idealist

@ShadyMarxist I donnu, what u mean?

liberation theology?

@Arkras Tell me about communism you imagine.

moralists tend to think their perceptions of justice will ultimately prevail because of their political work, which is pretty textbook idealism

@ShadyMarxist A world with equal money, rights, freedom of religion, complete freedom of expression, a strong state and a lot of communes.

@ShadyMarxist I could write an essay about it, but I don't have time for that.

@Arkras I thought nobody crazier than Russian Orthodox Communist. But you guys have them too.

@ShadyMarxist are you saying that i'm crazy? But anyway I just want a strong state that protects the freedoms and right of the people.

@Arkras is it a sect within some religion?

@ShadyMarxist what are you refering to?

@Arkras your situation.

@ShadyMarxist Go read this: http://isj.org.uk/marxism-and-ethics/

or anyone really

We can never have a communist society without proper ethic grounding

Antihumanists could disagree

Althusserian people

@AngryChekist ethic grounding shall not be in a form of morality.

@ShadyMarxist I'm a freelancer, yes I belong to the Folkekirke (Peopleschurch), but I believe in what I want to.

@Arkras No offense here, but I think your conception of communism is influenced by bourgeois propaganda when saying that it's about a strong state and equal money

@ShadyMarxist what does that even mean

@Blebleh I don't think so. It is what I want, and it what the communists in Denmark strive for, so I really have no choice.

I understand that it could be used to electoral publicity

but first we make a distinction between socialism as first stage, and communism as the last stage. State conceived as the monopoly of violence and the organization of a class to oppress another

strong state would be in socialism, in the first phase, to make the dictatorship of the proletariat; that would mean the workers over the capitalists

in communism there wouldn't be capitalists and state would wither away

@Blebleh Please don't say that you are a Ancom 😫

this is from marxism-leninism

Well I just role with what suits me!

and also, in socialism the principle is "to each according to his contribution"

only the private means of productions, aka enterprises are owned publicly; the personal property is yours and there isn't equality of money

although the socialization of the means makes more equality of money

because capitalists, who have a lot of money are expropriated

planning and so on

For an exsample I want people to live between 2000 US to around 5000 US.

I can see that the workers must own there workplace, but I think we also need regulations about how much you can make, and how much you minimum can make, because else we will get class division.

technically we can't get class division because the means are already owned by the workers and there's no market; but there could be parasitism between the same workers

I agree with you in this

@Blebleh Tanx

what don't you like about ancoms?

@Blebleh We need centralplanning and a taxsystem, to have a working society.

arkras?

there's libertarian socialism

@Arkras what do you think about anarchist?

are you in support of wagelabour?

it could be compatible; I agree with central planning

One at a time please.

Wage labour isnt communist

@ShadyMarxist A noble concept but there are just too many human for it to be a reality.

wage labour conceived as submission to capitalists?