or as a collective wage system?

Wage labour is shit, and is a part of the problem.

conceived as post-scarcity, I think that it'll take a lot of time to reach that, if we do it

and I think that classical marxists wouldn't imagine the contribution of cybernetics today

@Blebleh We just need to expand apound what Marx gave us. It is one of the founding features of Marxism.

yes

@Arkras Did you read Lunacharski, Bogdanov?

and about taxes, they could be low under a socialist state when the enterprises already have profit and they have excesses

@ShadyMarxist No i've not, sorry i've actually not read that much. I base my knowledge on forums, videos, word of mouth and politicians.

@Arkras They tried to do something like your religion but Lenin convinced them to stop.

@ShadyMarxist Okay, but i gotta go to bed now. I've been awake in about 20 hours, so i'm tried now. Goodnight!

@Blebleh Is Communism popular in Spain?

@Arkras No, socialdemocracy

Okay, but it is better than nothing right? @Blebleh

Yes but it's limited

Yeah when you have Social Democracy, things goes so slow that it begins to go the wrong way again.

@Blebleh

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@mater06 @everyone

Why we need mods in a nutshell

Good shit tbh

Fuck off /pol/

@Groucho Marx

Is the manchild gone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7mbwo4rSFU

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@Groucho Marx ye writen' a feckin book

@Deleted User I am not a Marxist-Leninist. I shouldn't have to defend the USSR in it's entirety. You are straw manning most of the left wing and are purposely misrepresenting the left wing and Marxist-Leninist. The Holodomor did happen but it didn't kill nearly as many as the west says. Furthermore, by the same standards it can be said that Capitalism is responsible for the malnourishment of 793 million in 2015 according to the Food and Agricultural Agency of the United Nations. That number is a far greater evil then Stalin even though I fucking hate Stalin and don't agree with Mao. Capitalism is objectively worse. You are actively also defending racism. Racism has no real objective basis on which to say what makes somebody part of what race. For example, in the US the Irish weren't considered white for a long time. Fascism is the bourgeoise's last defense against the revolution. Under the Soviet Union people had higher incomes, there was less income inequality and people had a better standard of living.

If you want to challenge the entire left wing your going to need to try to actually make some arguments which aren't horribly shortsighted or fallacious. You are also going to need theoretical and objective backing of which you and /pol/tards don't have any.

damn

Collectivism kills in any form these distinctions like "anarchism" and "autoritarian socailism" are irrelevant they are tools used to destroy and they crumble on their own.

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Where is most of the poverty located in

@Groucho Marx

"The passion for destruction is a creative passion" - Mikhail Bakunin. The whole point of being to the left is to destroy capitalism and replace it with something better. The left wing has various solutions and proposals to overcome capitalism and usher in a new mode of production and of society. Furthermore, you said that collectivism is all the same but this is incorrect because although all true left wingers want to usher in a post-capitalist age all the branches of leftism vary in their solutions to these issues which makes them essentially different.

Yet again you are purposely mischaracterizing the entirety of Leftism

Will never happen

Capitalism hijacked leftism

"replace it with something better" HAHAHA not in a million years, leftist countries will never last and will never prosper

China is actually developing a living of standard for once

Thanks to (((capitalism (((((

Standard of living

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Unrestrained capitalism is dangerous but abolishing private property, destroying religion and completely reshaping a nation's culture is much worse.

Eric Clanton

An cap is autism

tbqh

I am an Anarcho-Syndicalist. Attacking China or other ML states doesn't negate the entirety of leftism.

Has Anarcho-Syndicalism ever actually worked for any serious period of time?

Le nothing wrong with corporatism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9r6U8_-2os

when you outnumber the enemy by such a disparaging margin but think you can still brag about winning like it was a genuine accomplishment

Reds sure love their delusions of grandeure

Anarcho-Syndicalism has only had one revolution because industrialization is a relatively new phenomena. But, the same can also be said for Fascism.

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yes

*clutches pearls* oh heavens

Fascism has only existed for a short time period

@Groucho Marx how well did that revolution go?

>basing political theories on outcome assessments

Pretty well actually until the MLs came in with their tankie bullshit and shot everybody.

>not even knowing the outcomes irk

Irl dammit

I FUCKED UP I FAILED YOU LENIN

Then Franco killed a lot of the other anarcho syndicalist

God I hate u autists

Nothing wrong with capitalism

I'm enjoying my millions

So they tried to make a society without authority and money but in the end had a dysfuntional state with authority and money?

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