Message from @ShadyMarxist
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but first we make a distinction between socialism as first stage, and communism as the last stage. State conceived as the monopoly of violence and the organization of a class to oppress another
strong state would be in socialism, in the first phase, to make the dictatorship of the proletariat; that would mean the workers over the capitalists
in communism there wouldn't be capitalists and state would wither away
this is from marxism-leninism
Well I just role with what suits me!
and also, in socialism the principle is "to each according to his contribution"
only the private means of productions, aka enterprises are owned publicly; the personal property is yours and there isn't equality of money
although the socialization of the means makes more equality of money
because capitalists, who have a lot of money are expropriated
planning and so on
For an exsample I want people to live between 2000 US to around 5000 US.
I can see that the workers must own there workplace, but I think we also need regulations about how much you can make, and how much you minimum can make, because else we will get class division.
technically we can't get class division because the means are already owned by the workers and there's no market; but there could be parasitism between the same workers
I agree with you in this
what don't you like about ancoms?
@Blebleh We need centralplanning and a taxsystem, to have a working society.
arkras?
there's libertarian socialism
are you in support of wagelabour?
it could be compatible; I agree with central planning
One at a time please.
Wage labour isnt communist
@ShadyMarxist A noble concept but there are just too many human for it to be a reality.
wage labour conceived as submission to capitalists?
or as a collective wage system?
Wage labour is shit, and is a part of the problem.
conceived as post-scarcity, I think that it'll take a lot of time to reach that, if we do it
and I think that classical marxists wouldn't imagine the contribution of cybernetics today
@Blebleh We just need to expand apound what Marx gave us. It is one of the founding features of Marxism.
yes
@Arkras Did you read Lunacharski, Bogdanov?
and about taxes, they could be low under a socialist state when the enterprises already have profit and they have excesses
@ShadyMarxist No i've not, sorry i've actually not read that much. I base my knowledge on forums, videos, word of mouth and politicians.
@Arkras They tried to do something like your religion but Lenin convinced them to stop.
@ShadyMarxist Okay, but i gotta go to bed now. I've been awake in about 20 hours, so i'm tried now. Goodnight!