Fascism is an attempt to create a society that doesn't follow the abstract but follows what works (in nature) and cycles between tools or systems economically and politically.

If Marx had lived to see the idea of fascism, in its true form especially, he would have been a fascist philosopher 100%

Of course whether or not he would have still believed one of the next steps was a collective society I couldn't say

I doubt that. When you understand Dialectical Materialism, Fascism looks like child's play. The scope is small in comparison.

Fascism is actually based around countering exactly that

That's where the gripes about abstractions really comes in, philosophically and economically

I think that is a fair statement.

>when you understand dialectical materialism

oh my god, tip that fuckin fedora m80

why does leftist political philosophy make you sound like such a faggot?

Greenpill me on why state capitalism is bad

Uh because capitalism is UNFAIR Regi!!

😡!!!

Human concpets of value must be dictated by the state, goyim

didnt you know this?

study the (((dialectic)))

@Deleted User

lolol

Equality isn't really the correct concept, people should strive for equity

you dont have the right word for what you're saying

Oh, I forgot that equality isn't sufficient.

These monkeys are proposing 'equality of outcome' in order to trick the proles into backing their social experiment.

equality, in all functional purpose, ought to be spoken as 'equality under the law'

expecting two people to be equal in any way other than how the law ought to approach them...

stupid as fuck fam

Equality is an unwitting lie

Nature is simply unfair

Unequal

BTW, if a marxist should ever figure out the direct philosophical reason i'm shitposting in this ocean of failure-oriented political systems, i will give some reward, idk what yet

That does not mean you cannot live comfortably, nor be successful

But everyone has a place, they find, in the end

It's really by gentleman's agreement that I don't stab ppl irl.

You ought to thank someone for that social contract.

@Deleted User >Equality is an unwitting lie

As well as democracy.

Exactly

It just ends up as mob rule

If not never becoming what is promised

Same goes for utopian ideals

(What I mean is it either becomes something far off of what it's supposed to be or it never is)

On average your functional political system is actually an alpha blending of no less than 6 different political systems

Normies can't figure this out.

There's a limit to the bend man can put on his own civilization

it's amazing to m,e

lazy lazy niggers

@Deleted User thinking that the average would make better solutions than the more lucky ones is a terrible idea from the beginning.

Indeed

Wipes are not permitted on the channel.

@Trevor#9989 In Russia this guys (Azerbaidzani) called "black"

https://youtu.be/kRt_UVHZ094

im hungry

Eat the rich

they left the country or got killed long ago

Follow them

The Empire is a galactic, constitutional monarchy and fascist government. An interesting choice for a Soviet motif.

Question: is there anything that Marx was wrong about?

Hello

Question: is there anything that Marx was right about?

Almost all

hmm

the theory of value is 5% false

in a study of 2010

then, the thing about nations and how to achieve power

anarchist critiques

http://bnarchives.yorku.ca/308/2/20101200_cockshott_nitzan_bichler_testing_the_ltv_exchange_web.htm

Communism conceived about post-scarcity would have to be raised in a lot of years yet

he didn't know about the developments of today like cybernetics for doing socialism

Liberals and socdems claim that marxism doesn't have inside other issues; but Marx already talked about ecology https://monthlyreview.org/2015/12/01/marxism-and-ecology/

And marxism was already the first doing intersectional analysis before the liberals and socdems thought that they were discovering something new

http://revolutionarysocialism.tumblr.com/post/58187691338/what-is-intersectionality

Marxism, unlike liberals and socdems, doesn't ignore the centrality of class struggle for the total liberation of ecology and for the equality of genres; this can't be done in the other systems, as well as the dependence for the family

https://libcom.org/library/i-am-woman-human-marxist-feminist-critique-intersectionality-theory-eve-mitchell

How a society would be like, the problems of Mises and Hayek solved, here: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf It's a model for a socialist society with central planning in real time

@Firefly почистите русский канал, пжалста

hey

😄

Hey

how u doin

Doing alright. Downloading some anime and Visual Novels plus listening to Nando Moura.

cool

i hope you didnt buy it

visual novels are so fucking overpriced

Why are heterosexual white males hated so much?

are they?

I think it could be positive discrimination if something

The focus on the oppressed doesn't mean hating that people

no discrimination is positive

lol

discrimination of bourgeois

to make a balance

is good

fascists too

thats about it

thats class

tho

trips to the gulag to the bourgeois

for only $19.17 per person

*a third worldist whines because they have better conditions*

first class bourgeois gulag cells for only$19.45

fyre festival style

love me

no u

*kisses*

I have a question: would we be considered bourgeoisie or is that a term used for people that employ workers?

bouregoise is the rich middle class which owns businesses or corperations

having a lot of money as a middle class worker doesnt really fit the position of bouregoise

Ok

What do you guys think about financial analysts or people that work in finance?

my ma is not bourgeoise even though she is a banker and has associates working under her because she worked her way to the position under a boss

which she still does

So what you're saying is that as long as there is someone above you, you can't be a bourgeoisie?

Workers don't exploit anyone

They aren't extracting surplus value from other workers, they don't own the business

If something they could receive wages from other workers, passed from the bourgeoisie; that's called the labour aristocracy

What about a financial analyst that gambles the savings of others or bets on the livelihoods of others?

probably labour aristocracy

but speculation?

Some marxist economists consider it another for of exploitation

but they aren't owning other workers

I feel bad now because I might study finance in school

https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm

No

Other person would do otherwise

a society can't be changed voluntarily by studying this or not

as i understand it

if you own MOP and hire people, you are bourgeoisie

you dont own MOP and work for wage, you are proletarian

yes

but there are labour aristocracy analysis, and maoist third worldists

bourgeois can be big, medium, very big (etc) or petit bourgeoisie

petit bourgeoisie is bourgeoisie that owns MOP, hire people but doesnt extract enough surplus value because it owns few MOP and he has to work himself

But can't you for an example own a foodstand, and not having anyone employed, and still be an Poletarian?

basically small business

if you own a MOP and only work yourself here

you are self employed

which is technically a petit bourgeois but you are like the smallest bourgeois possible

peasant who works on his private piece of land, even if he is very poor, is bourgeois

just very small

if peasant works on someone's else land for wage, however, he is proletarian

Okay, that means most of my family is petty bourgeois...

this is why Lenin said that peasants have double heart

well

my father is very bright example of petit bourgeois

he is director of small factory

but he works himself in the office

Are there still factories in Russia?

what kind of question is this

I donnu there are not Factories in my country sobe...

i have no idea what you are talking about

we are not in middle age

everyone has factories

I mean all factories in my country has been out sourced

Unless you count power plants...

well

let me just remind you

that we had industrialization in 1930s

Was it not in the 1920s?

and evne though we had some catastrofic things going on in 1985-2000, not all factories are rip

i think it was in 1920-30

doesnt matter

Okay. I have just no idea about how things are in Russia, so please just forgive me if I am being ignorant or something...

so i shouldn't feel bad for studying finance?

?

will you live according to proletarian interests?

Lenin was a nobleman

he could live like an aristocrat

what do you guys think about dudes that push porsches or drive bmws?

i didnt finish my thought

finish it rn

Cake

bourgeoisie can be petit bourgeois, self employed or regular bourgeois (that doesnt have to work himself)

and proletariat has a subclass labor aristocracy

which are priveleged workers who work for wage but they live in better conditions

so basically

petit bourgeois can live poorer than labor aristocracy

would bill gates be the ultimate bourgeois?

poor peasant can live way worse life than high qualified worker on a factory

i dont know much about him

but basically

there can be bourgeois with proletarian interests

and proletarian with bourgeois interests

when poor peasant goes on war with kulaks and whiteguards, he is following proletarian interests

even if he is petit bourgeois

when worker of USA joins army to invade vietnam or any other country that was invaded by the US

he is proletarian who follows bourgeois interests

@Garlic the Soviet that is true. There was millions of petite-burgs joining Soviet Party.

On the basis of low income

you are not ultimately rich parasite that needs to die if you are bourgeois, and you are not the ultimate hero revolutionary if you are proletarian

what do you guys think about dudes that own porsches?

i think they are mostly scum

but that depends i think

some people are just fooled

if you live in a priviliged imperialist country you can simply be not aware of why you live such a good life

its hard to blame someone for not knowing something

people in imperialist countries would be more revolutionary if they would see the exploitation of 3rd world out of their window

@Mawk one life cost 15.000$ That is the cost of a surgery for heart for the newborn in China. When I see somebody driving a 150.000$ car I shake.

what do you guys think about the neolib argument that states that opening up these factories in third world countries actually improves the quality of life when compared to what they would have been doing before (subsistence farming)?

You can drive 15.000 car and save lives

@Mawk that is true

but isn't that just furthering exploitation?

@Mawk if you are exploited it doesn't mean you are living worse than before.

It only means they take your work, energy, input for free

Its free to them and it cost your time and health.

i get that but what about the moral implications? should a developed country seek to improve living conditions in a country even if it means exploitation or leave them as it be?

@Mawk it is not a question of a will of the "developed" country. If you already robbed half of the world than you probably considered developed, yes?

Its like you are surprised a thief has more gold than the victim of his

i think you're misunderstanding what i'm saying

the neolib argument is saying that opening up factories in a place like china is raising the standard of living for those working in the factories

@Mawk I think you misunderstand the sequence of actions. First you rob, than you are "developed"

lmao its literally the opposite

@Ornament ok, i get that. but should a "developed" country then look to exploit more workers in different countries if it were to raise the standard of living for the workers in those factories?

once again, i'm not saying that they should. but the neolibs argue that opening up factories raises the standard of living in less developed countries

@Mawk countries do not open factories. The business does

oops, true

@Mawk It raises the standard of living. Everybody knows it. Even neolibs

yeah, the neolibs are arguing for more factories to be opened

@Mawk and communist too, and petite-burgs and even Fascist

so should they be opened then?

@Mawk yes!

ok

@Garlic the Soviet said that it doesn't actually increase the standard of living but rather does the opposite

DRUMPF

clever

don't stop typing @Garlic the Soviet

☺

typing what?

anything

i am not typing anything

*actin a lil fishy there garlic*

you are scaring me

it would be terrible is something **bad** happened to you

i just want to warn you

i am straight

https://twitter.com/MaoistRebelNews/status/864486096712945665

Fuck capitalism and communism, bring back mercantilism and imperialism

DEUS VULT

https://www.rt.com/news/388686-koreas-war-highly-possible/

no

Rip NK

what do you guys think about nk?

🇰🇵

@Mawk It does a good job maintaining sovereignty from world imperialism.

Better than Germoney

but weren't they heavily dependent on china for aid?

Is NK socialist

I've heard it is

@Mawk Dependence on aid is not important. Important that they are in possession of the country and Germans are not.