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We can automate everything in industry if we invested.

If we combine full automation with a base income, we would allow technology to relieve the people of forced labor.

Based income is not a working option

That's literally the point.

It will give everyone what they need allowing for anyone to pursue what they want.

This Social-Democratic policy never been working.

We've never even tried to implement a base income.

You can't just mold it into a specific political genre.

This is beyond ideology.

It is economically impossible and will case a major country economy slowdown.

>using punctutation

Are you saying that an economic slowdown supersedes that of the people's interests?

Yall ever vc?

Nty

@fannybandit It is not a favorable event.

It's not favorable for corporations.

It's favorable for people.

The people's will must supersede that of corporations.

Greed cannot dictate people.

Man this dude must have no friends

Cant imagine being so pretentious even in a chatroom

Again with the hypocrisy.

Chill out man

Opposite. Public consumption will increase economy ratings.

The adults are talking.

Ahhahaa

Bet this dudes 12

Economy rating does not rate the people's wealth or well being.

People wealth is not a goal of economy.

That is the problem that this solution would fix.

The problem is a slowdown in economy.

Otherwise a lovely idea.

No, the current problem is the people living in poverty and being forced to work against their will.

@fannybandit People are not important but numbers are.

That right there is the problem.

I feel like ubi would just fail bc people will pay too little

People being treated as less than numbers is why people suffer.

Politicians will try to pay as little UBI as possible

People must already go. Robots are incoming!

We have plenty of robots already.

They're called government.

And it will be a reallllly shitty standard of living

Even worse than min wage

Not the smart one

Government is AI controlled? Til

People deserve better than what they have and government's function is to provide them with better lives.

I have ai planned economy on nationstates lul

https://www.thevenusproject.com/

Automating labor jobs while implementing a base income is the perfect solution.

No its not

https://www.thevenusproject.com/resource-based-economy/

An economy should be based on average wealth, not corporate greed.

Average wealth is a useless metric

Doesnt take inequality into account

Stimulating an economy revolves around what the average citizen can contribute.

People can do much more in capitalistic society if they have capital.

Eh, they wont be given enough capital under ubi

As it stands, the average person works paycheck-to-paycheck...just enough to keep working.

You have too much faith in gov.

That is completely unacceptable.

The goal is not the wealth of the nation but any other goal as well.

The goal should always be to increase the average wealth of the people.

No its not

The people are the back-bone of any nation.

Average wealth can be increased by giving the money to one person

This is Anglo-Saxon tradition.

Which is stupid

This is a tradition of freedom.

It will allow the economy to actually grow, now for a failing system to be barely maintained.

This is a tradition of a merchant and egoist.

What we have now is failure.

Seems to be stable atm

Tbh

Call me what you want, the current system willfully fails the people out of greed.

In the short term at least

Ur a shitstain

The people should have the money, not a few people.

Agreed

A greed

That's how slavery is created and maintained.

But ubi doesnt fix that

So its not a perfect solution as you claim

Not even a solution

No solution prevails over mine.

Arrogant

And stupid

Mine is simple, effective, and absolute.

What other solution is there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Different goals for economy must be set.

We've tried that, it has failed the people willfully.

We can have an open mind about possible solutions instead of dogmatically claiming we have the answer.

Who tried?

I said I have an answer.

Remember the bank bailouts?

The trickle-down economics?

You said its the perfect solution

Its not even a solution

All of those were repeating the same failures intentionally.

The problem is simple...those with wealth, the very few, determine who receives the wealth.

To continue this in any way is willful insanity, neglect, and failure.

Ubi doesnt fix that

Merchants don't try much.

When they try something, only they benefit.

The people always lose.

Not 100% true

This is not an accident.

They are also people.

Name one instance in which the people benefited from a recent change in economics.

What do you mean by a chanhe

Any form of alteration or any event whatsoever.

Tax credits can help low income families

Can...

They also benefit the politicians with votes

Yet...they only continue helping the wealthy.

But they still do help them

Do they?

Yes, many people rely on those tax credits

Then allow me to ask a more bold and revealing question.

No

Name a single time government has implemented a single change that has benefited the people without the wealthy being able to capitalize on it.

I mean thats a very weak point to make

No, it's very revealing.

Everything government does benefits the wealthy...not so much the people.

You can make the argument that any help of the poor also helps the rich by prolonging revolution

The wealthy and their greed is what enslaves the people.

>no its very revealing

You're deciding how good ur arguments are

Srsly not even tryna be civil

No, I'm stating that they're prolonging evolution.

You willfully misunderstand me.

Im not

Then I'll make this very simple...

I think saying your argument is good is an arrogant thing to say

Government has only helped the wealthy.

Let the argument speak for itself

Not true

I am letting it speak for itself.

Well, you didnt earlier

Also, I'm not arguing.

Government can help the poor

They can.

And it does

Yet, they don't.

But not as much as it should

As much?

Idk why you like talking in absolutes

They do nothing to help the poor.

Well, i already gave you a very obvious example

Tax credits...those things that help the wealthy more.

But your argument was that it also helps others

Which enables them to oppress the people even more.

In the tax code, tax credits are specified separately

The more power and money the wealthy have, the less control the people have of their own lives.

That is true, but you said earlier that government never helped the poor

The system we have in place is corporate monarchy.

Which just isnt true

They haven't solely helped the poor.

Ok

It's all trickle-down.

Thats a very different thing to say

It's the same thing I said earlier.

You just misunderstood my statement.

Yes.

Those tax credits gave the wealthy more power and the poor less power.

You just admitted its helped the poor, just not solelu

I will clarify everything that I'm saying in one sentence.

Not all tax credits are the same.

Dude

Government has yet to, in modern history, directly help the poor.

You cant just add contradictory statements

It's elaborating and clarifying, not contradicting.

Low income tax credits are added independently of others

It's all part of one movement.

Look i get what youre saying, but you have to admit that the statement you made about never helping the poor is wrong

Tax credits in general.

Never *solely* helping the poor is a different argument

Big business and wealthy people benefitted much more than low income families.

.

oof semantical arguments

Exchange solely for directly.

Theres no reason to talk about tax credits in general

Government has never made an effort to directly help the people.

I specifically said low income tax credits

You forget about the high income tax credits.

No i dont

It's all part of one movement/system.

But i only need to provide a counterexample to your argument

No, it isnt

If the wealthy, who are the problem, are getting more out of it than the people...that means it did not solely or directly benefit the people.

You can have tax credirs for low income without those for the wealthy, but politicians are bought by the wealthy

No shit.

That's my overall point.

Governments make many decisions, some can help the rich, some can help the poor, some help both, some screw both

Government is nothing more than an extension of the oppressing wealthy/ruling class.

And its not all one movement

This is exactly why a revolution is absolutely necessary.

By voting for the right people, you can at least steer it in a better direction

Corruption is strangling the people.

Vote for which wealthy person exactly?

You're making many different points at once, most of which i already agree with

I just dont like the view that government cant be used to help poor people

Then why are you posturing as if there's a debate?

Since it already does

Thats the point i disagree with

Ok, so then you agree.

That's it.

*facepalm*

What do you disagree with?

Nothing.

That's what I thought.

I think ur trolling now, i made it very obvious

Nice context editing there CNN.

What do you disagree with?

Government helps the poor sometimes.

How so?

We're going in circles...

Are we going back to the tax credits again?

Take for example universal healthcare in canada

That helps the poor by socializing the cost

Of healthcare

That also benefits the wealthy.

Ok, but that doesnt contradict my point

The point is it helps the poor

I never said it did.

Okay

I'm claiming that government hasn't done a single thing to solely and/or directly help the people.

That's it.

id say universal healthcare helps the people

compared to a fully private healthcare system

It did not do so solely or indirectly.

Which only the rich would afford

Also, I'm talking more about the American government.

I have no clue what Canadians are doing.

Great outlook...

So...the rich get exclusive access to better healthcare.

How's that for an outlook?

Less so under universal healthcare

Way to go Canada...

Are we done here?

What do you disagree with?

I dont feel that youre honestly trying

What should I try to do exactly?

Take the government's corrupt side?

If corruption is the root of all evil, government is the world's most evil tree of slavery.

I think besides low income tax credits and universal healthcare, you will find plenty of examples where the government has helped the poor, even if it has sometimes helped some rich people.