That helps the poor by socializing the cost

Of healthcare

That also benefits the wealthy.

Ok, but that doesnt contradict my point

The point is it helps the poor

I never said it did.

Okay

I'm claiming that government hasn't done a single thing to solely and/or directly help the people.

That's it.

id say universal healthcare helps the people

compared to a fully private healthcare system

It did not do so solely or indirectly.

Which only the rich would afford

Also, I'm talking more about the American government.

I have no clue what Canadians are doing.

Great outlook...

So...the rich get exclusive access to better healthcare.

How's that for an outlook?

Less so under universal healthcare

Way to go Canada...

Are we done here?

What do you disagree with?

I dont feel that youre honestly trying

What should I try to do exactly?

Take the government's corrupt side?

If corruption is the root of all evil, government is the world's most evil tree of slavery.

I think besides low income tax credits and universal healthcare, you will find plenty of examples where the government has helped the poor, even if it has sometimes helped some rich people.

Again, not solely or directly.

Decisions can be made to help all groups in society, and thats what progress entails

Who makes those decisions?

Depends on thw system of governance

How can we make any form of progress if the solution to wealth inequality and rule by the wealthy are determined by the people who are the problem?

In the US its a rep democracy, tho strongly pro corporte

We are not a democracy.

We are a constitutional republic.

Well, it kind of is but not really

The thing is

You can vote for people who will help you

We became corrupted and then somehow magically switched to democracy...which is actually corporate fascism in disguise.

Its not a permanent solution, eventually the system needs to change

But lets not pretend it doesnt result in some measure of progress