That's my overall point.

Governments make many decisions, some can help the rich, some can help the poor, some help both, some screw both

Government is nothing more than an extension of the oppressing wealthy/ruling class.

And its not all one movement

This is exactly why a revolution is absolutely necessary.

By voting for the right people, you can at least steer it in a better direction

Corruption is strangling the people.

Vote for which wealthy person exactly?

You're making many different points at once, most of which i already agree with

I just dont like the view that government cant be used to help poor people

Then why are you posturing as if there's a debate?

Since it already does

Thats the point i disagree with

Ok, so then you agree.

That's it.

*facepalm*

What do you disagree with?

Nothing.

That's what I thought.

I think ur trolling now, i made it very obvious

Nice context editing there CNN.

What do you disagree with?

Government helps the poor sometimes.

How so?

We're going in circles...

Are we going back to the tax credits again?

Take for example universal healthcare in canada

That helps the poor by socializing the cost

Of healthcare

That also benefits the wealthy.

Ok, but that doesnt contradict my point

The point is it helps the poor

I never said it did.

Okay

I'm claiming that government hasn't done a single thing to solely and/or directly help the people.

That's it.

id say universal healthcare helps the people

compared to a fully private healthcare system

It did not do so solely or indirectly.

Which only the rich would afford