what type of revolution do you support

idk, any almost

oh im ancap so argument over moving on

tell me what they mean in different types of revolutions

since we are being illogical here

in market socialism, you buisness will still exist, but you will no longer be the owner

(note im not actually ancap)

all workers will cooperatively own it

bourgeois revolution, socialist revolution

in ML revolution, the state will seize it I think

and some central plan production will utilize it

the state will find workers and find something to use the products for

in anarchist revolution it would probably be seized by local community instead of state

@Deleted User

Hey

Love u babes

What are the implications of seizing a pickle shop in an anarchist revolution?

btw I do not claim to be an expert on this, I am not very literate on this

hm

@Sorghagtani Beki the implications are that the factory will be freed from your ownership, and usable for the community to use it as wished

the great revolutionary pickle shop debate with moving goal post .... ahhh a classic

@Deleted User yeh this is too specific for proper discussion

but I like doing it nontheless

also I need sleep sooner rather than later

dont forget he gave this worker a fair share originally then cut his pay to minimum cause he was lazy too in this what if scenerio, as tho that ever happens in irl capitalism

False

You did not follow it

Originally he was given minimum wage

in the scenario the owner attempts to fix laziness by raising wage

and it does not work

so he lowers the wage again

wages are anti-productive

oh something just as unlikely and illogical

...

omfg

we should just

all day

So, this is where the /pol/ rejects go.

yeah, ok

what about the reserve of labourers?

better to fire and get other worker

We're fighting for Germany, we're fighting for Hitler,we'll give the reds no rest

lol

We're fighting for Germany, we're fighting for Hitler,we'll give the reds no rest

gr8

gr88

@Blebleh I feel bad for this man

so I gave him a job

unlikely scenario

but if one person had this happen

what would be the response

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your scenerio just doesnt happen tho khan

uck off Bot

it is unlikely to happen obviously

@Sorghagtani Beki the response has everything to do with the actual people involved

but if it did happen

and it is possible

what would be the response

@Sorghagtani Beki there is no general answer

@Sorghagtani Beki If you support the revolution and you're willing to incorporate what's needed (the business) to the plan then you're ok

You know, the majority of my friends tell me that Communism is great in theory.

like its unrealistic to prove the point cause it got smashed when you were asked why he would work harder than min efort for minwage

so you moved the goal post

However, Communism genuinely disgusts me.

Yes

You people should feel ashamed.

@eth You're pretty cool

Communism benefits nobody but the elites anyways.

@Deleted User

There are people who work hard in minimum wage

@𪚥𝚂𝚃𝙰𝚃𝙴𝙼𝙰𝙽~𝚃 what theory have you read?

yes there are but thats not the point

Hello.

I know that the temp workers work very hard

under min wage

yes

I don't understand the logic "raise wage to get someone to work harder" if other people could work harder on min wage

wouldn't that just mean that if I worked for someone else

I could just act lazy

@Sorghagtani Beki who says that though?

and they would raise the wage

@Deleted User Here you are a mod

the argument is tho we are in a revolutionary society that is trying to stop that sorta exploitation

Yes but I am not arguing from that time period

I am arguing before that

as in happening right now

I dont undestand why people raid this discord server of all servers lmao

so many blocked messages

<@290560964632510465> do this in a commie server instead

cuase /pol/ fags are all jobless neets with highenergy autism

why are people here in this abandoned server?

i still dont get how some one who cant even get a job is pro ancap

this is hilarious tbh

the stuff these guys post

xD

^ good meme

lol

@Sampuka do not spam please

lel

okay

ah

I don't understand how anti-commie people come here, there are much better targets

leftypol unofficial

die

leftypol unofficial has more communists than this

Fascism will rise again

Heil Hitler

No gore unless news related.

good night folks, it way too late now and it seems the americans have gotten home from daycare so I'm off

take care

Goodnight Sampuka

thx

Goodnight

The fascists have raided the Commies yeheboi

I hope you guys like Ju87's

@𝗣 𝗔 𝗡 𝗜 𝗖#6975 proletariat.

Because you guys bout to go "Stuka BLYAT"

that was a shitty joke

😴

just now?

thank god

just now?

Give us news in here

Links

smh

You just got pranked.

you can do it, bud

ah you did it

hi.

Oh god

I forgot you Commie cucks invited Ponyfags into your servers

amazing.

this is pretty gay

where is lefypol unofficial

Ndinibulale nonke, ndiveni ngoku. Ngaba uyayiqonda isiphelo sakho, bolunye uhlanga? Ndiya bakubulale nonke. Ndiya kudla oomama zakho. Ndiya kudla abantwana bakho. Ndiya akuxhome uyihlo. Ndiya piss kwi engcwabeni lakho emva kokuba smash intloko yakho ziingceba. Ha!

Не совсем понятно, брат монгол. Точнее, ничего не понятно ^__^

Kodwa ngizabulala nonke, lalela manje. Uyakuqonda ukuphela yakho, abantu bezinye izizwe? Enginakho ngawe ukuthi akubulale. Angisoze ngadla nomama benu. Angisoze ngadla izingane zakho. Mina hang uyise. Engimangayo ku ithuna yakho emva kwakho smash ikhanda lakho laba yizicucu.

@Sorghagtani Beki ja ne govorju po mongolskij

Noam Chomsky Forever

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BELKA DID NOTHING WRONG

Hi

hello

Hej

hi

is this where national liberation happens?

me in the suit

post more dank communist maymays

@Firefly

China is actually on track towards becoming the world's most Christian nation. They have the fastest growing Christian population in the world.

im one of them

real china only tho 👏

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The Argument from Contingency
(1) Everything that exists contingently has a reason for its existence.
(2) The universe exists contingently.
Therefore:
(3) The universe has a reason for its existence.
(4) If the universe has a reason for its existence then that reason is God.
Therefore:
(5) God exists.

**Everything that exists** contingently **has a reason** for its existence.

Just another abstraction.

If the universe might not have existed, that requires an explanation.

Nothing is requires.

Only death and destruction matters.

There is nothing 'necessary' about the universe. It exists, but there is no reason why it could not have.

Right.

No reason. No nothing.

Like You or Me. We are not necessary.

Right.

So if it doesn't have to exist, why does it?

It just does. With no reason to it.

https://youtu.be/QOVa1BN29ew?list=PUQpvELhYCAxRhlt3-sh2NPg

Then there is no explanation?

There is no explanation and need for it.

If there is god - it is a useless creation.

That is not necessary.

Aquinas says "if everything can not-be, then at one time there was nothing in existence" (ST I,q.2,a.3).

Oh is that in the Summa Theologica?

Yes.

god is something absolutely useless.

I really need to read it.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/aquinas/summa/

I never believed in god. Whole country been atheist.

"We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence---which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not. Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. "

If there is no need for explanation, why are you a Marxist?

Should I not be for some reason?

Marx explains a lot, but if there is no need, then why make the exception?

Exception for what?

You said that God is useless because there is no need for explanation. So there is no need for explanation full stop. I can apply this dismissal to anything I don't like.

There is no need for it. But you can have it regardless of the absence of the objective need.

Marxism is contingent. <:troll_king:312064227542040576>

lol

There might be a subjective need.

It is different.

No need. Explanation is not necessary.

Objectively? No.

Are you completely objective?

Nope.

Then you might want some explanations due to your subjectivity.

Would you call that a need?

I would call it a timely matter. Subject there is and than there is no.

And with it the need for explanations is gone.

The need to have an active force, a mover with superpowers is a need to have a secured childhood. The child feels good and grows well.

It is natural to need it.

Nothing offensive in it.

Good reflexes.

So sometimes there is a need for explanation, when the subject calls upon it.

No objective need. But subjective, yes. With explanations child works better. Brain develops. Very healthy and favorable for evolution.

I agree with that.

So then here we are, at the intersection of explanations. I repeat the question, if the universe, and the things in it doesn't need to exist, why does it exist when it could have failed?

For now, I no longer care about Big Bang Theory.

It just did always exist like that. I tend to think.

" if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence---which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary."

The existence of the contingent universe must rest on something, and if it rested on some contingent being then that contingent being too would require some explanation of its existence. The ultimate explanation of the existence of all things, therefore, must be the existence of some necessary being. This necessary being is readily identified by proponents of the cosmological argument as God.

I do not agree with this mental gymnastics. It can go anyway from here. It may stop existing. Start. Or just keep.

But you have no explanation for that.

I have no data to judge.

Then don't judge.

And I do not. I just say that the laws of the matter - dialectics, are in contradiction with your theories.

But how really is we do not have data. SO far what we know it always been and always will be.

That is our experience.

Subjective experience.

Yes and our personal experience is that the individual will never die either. And yet reason explains we will die.

We see people dying.

We see galaxies moving away, too.

Thats just a fact. No connection with abstractions to it gladly.

Death is an abstraction.

Yes.

It seems everything is an abstraction.

What is happening in your head? Yes.

But outside is objective world.

dialectical and material.

But the 'outside world' is also an abstraction.