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2017-07-30 13:12:47 UTC

simple example, picking a shirt to put on, how is that not a choice in free will?

2017-07-30 13:13:12 UTC

Basically because an alternative was never possible.

2017-07-30 13:13:18 UTC

Science.

2017-07-30 13:13:18 UTC

why not?

2017-07-30 13:13:30 UTC

Because only one reality manifests.

2017-07-30 13:13:37 UTC

It's not falsifiable.

2017-07-30 13:13:48 UTC

See this is why it's a meme

2017-07-30 13:14:00 UTC

Why a meme?

2017-07-30 13:14:09 UTC

No way to prove it and no impact at all if it's true

2017-07-30 13:14:32 UTC

Yes, free will is like God, a fantasy of human optimism.

2017-07-30 13:14:41 UTC

It's just as much of a meme as simulation theory

2017-07-30 13:14:51 UTC

No.

2017-07-30 13:14:51 UTC

we're in a dream maynee

2017-07-30 13:15:04 UTC

Simulation requires strict logic.

2017-07-30 13:15:17 UTC

God is just fantasy, non falsifiable.

2017-07-30 13:15:28 UTC

I'm not talking about determinism, it's the most boring subject ever

2017-07-30 13:15:33 UTC

"Because only one reality manifests."
But it was chosen

2017-07-30 13:15:42 UTC

Yes, and?

2017-07-30 13:16:02 UTC

How do you know the alternative wasn't possible

2017-07-30 13:16:05 UTC

>implying that you can logically prove whether you live in a simulation or not

2017-07-30 13:16:24 UTC

You can, actually. Shall we?

2017-07-30 13:16:33 UTC

Sure

2017-07-30 13:17:05 UTC

You still technically choose that reality as well

2017-07-30 13:17:19 UTC

The basis of simulation theory is bases on the fact that in the future humans may achieve a technology able to recreate the past.

2017-07-30 13:17:24 UTC

That's the first premise.

2017-07-30 13:17:50 UTC

You shoudl read Nick Bostrom.

2017-07-30 13:17:55 UTC

>may achieve
How can it be a logical premise if it's speculation

2017-07-30 13:18:02 UTC

Exactly.

2017-07-30 13:18:09 UTC

It is based on probability.

2017-07-30 13:18:10 UTC

If you use that as a premise everything that follows will be speculation

2017-07-30 13:18:31 UTC

Strict logic has no room for speculation

2017-07-30 13:18:41 UTC

*It is based on probability*

2017-07-30 13:18:49 UTC

Welcome to logic

2017-07-30 13:18:56 UTC

No premise is 100% known.

2017-07-30 13:19:04 UTC

None.

2017-07-30 13:19:11 UTC

>using speculation about the future to draw conclusions about the present

2017-07-30 13:19:18 UTC

Of course.

2017-07-30 13:19:21 UTC

Welcome to science.

2017-07-30 13:19:42 UTC

You are finally understanding the world. as the 'experts' predict

2017-07-30 13:19:48 UTC

>believing in the free will meme
welcome to nihilism

2017-07-30 13:19:50 UTC

The scientific method is based on observation of events, not prediction

2017-07-30 13:20:04 UTC

What is a hypothesis?

2017-07-30 13:20:30 UTC

A statement which has yet to be proved by observations

2017-07-30 13:20:38 UTC

Hooray.

2017-07-30 13:21:22 UTC

Well, the best hypothesis' are based on strong observation and intuition.

2017-07-30 13:21:50 UTC

No magic. Just good old human observation.

2017-07-30 13:22:04 UTC

Sometimes it works.

2017-07-30 13:22:09 UTC

That's called science.

2017-07-30 13:22:40 UTC

Prediction is the based of theory.

2017-07-30 13:22:51 UTC

Maybe its right, maybe not.

2017-07-30 13:23:05 UTC

that's not falsifiable

2017-07-30 13:23:35 UTC

But if someone has a good reason ( the prediction worked int he past) then it has strong reason for valid hypothesis.

2017-07-30 13:23:45 UTC

Which is also the basis of simulation theory.

2017-07-30 13:24:33 UTC

@Deleted User I lol'd (again), but his person is might be my adopted son, so be nice. Also, good to see you back friend.

2017-07-30 13:26:02 UTC

the falsifiable meme is uniquely autistic

2017-07-30 13:26:47 UTC

There are even good reason why Karl Popper's idea is wrong.

2017-07-30 13:26:57 UTC

I didn't even need to get into it.

2017-07-30 13:27:05 UTC

lets hear it

2017-07-30 13:27:09 UTC

Why would I, waste of KJs.

2017-07-30 13:28:35 UTC

Why, are you busy?

2017-07-30 13:28:50 UTC

It's just so... extensive.

2017-07-30 13:29:15 UTC

Google it.

2017-07-30 13:29:30 UTC

Maybe tomorrow.

2017-07-30 13:29:48 UTC

I explain too much on this server. I'm on my break.

2017-07-30 13:30:22 UTC

๐Ÿฆ†

2017-07-30 13:30:27 UTC

Haha

2017-07-30 13:30:40 UTC

This wiki is okay for doing the criticisms.

2017-07-30 13:30:49 UTC

As you can see there is like 10 parts.

2017-07-30 13:31:16 UTC

wikipedia is underrated, you can go as deep as you want with their references

2017-07-30 13:31:23 UTC

Meh

2017-07-30 13:31:38 UTC

It's not 'deep as you want' but if you are a lazy fuck its OK

2017-07-30 13:31:50 UTC

Just dont tell the nazi's I said that.

2017-07-30 13:31:58 UTC

just don't use it for a conclusion

2017-07-30 13:32:00 UTC

It's a good start

2017-07-30 13:32:21 UTC

I like Karl Popper.

2017-07-30 13:32:26 UTC

it can get you in the right path but you need to be using actual material for any real conclusion

2017-07-30 13:32:31 UTC

He is really good.

2017-07-30 13:32:39 UTC

But he makes mistakes.

2017-07-30 13:32:41 UTC

wikipedia is just an aggregate

2017-07-30 13:32:55 UTC

That is the most painful part of studying philosophy.

2017-07-30 13:33:14 UTC

I didn't have much of a father, and I put high hope in powerful idea.

2017-07-30 13:33:35 UTC

Nietzsche was my first nigger dad.

2017-07-30 13:34:08 UTC

All jizz and no caress.

2017-07-30 13:34:36 UTC

Who would you say is your favourite thinker

2017-07-30 13:34:40 UTC

The most eye opening person

2017-07-30 13:34:42 UTC

Hmmm...

2017-07-30 13:34:56 UTC

only the technocrat himself

2017-07-30 13:34:57 UTC

My favourite is not necessarily the best philospher.

2017-07-30 13:35:06 UTC

My dadfu is Aquinas.

2017-07-30 13:35:25 UTC

what do you mean by calling them dad

2017-07-30 13:35:31 UTC

some gay thing

2017-07-30 13:35:39 UTC

What?

2017-07-30 13:35:56 UTC

No, Thomas makes me feel the best, his ideas never get old and they never run out.

2017-07-30 13:36:15 UTC

ye but why "dad" ๐Ÿค”

2017-07-30 13:36:30 UTC

Because I needed it.

2017-07-30 13:36:39 UTC

My dad was never around.

2017-07-30 13:37:05 UTC

hmm

2017-07-30 13:37:41 UTC

How else should someone deal with abandonment than God?

2017-07-30 13:38:31 UTC

getting fat on coca cola and overdosing on anime?

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