Message from @Deleted User

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2017-07-30 13:11:34 UTC  

so your argument for there not being free will is I can't create miracles?

2017-07-30 13:11:45 UTC  

They will be obsolete, machines will be able to continue what we've started without us in this equation

2017-07-30 13:11:51 UTC  

just because we're restricted by physics doesn't mean we don't have free will in our capacity to do so

2017-07-30 13:11:51 UTC  

What's a demonstration of free will that you'll accept as proof?

2017-07-30 13:12:19 UTC  

Well, what is free will? It is being able to do A instead of B. But since time is linear, A always happens.

2017-07-30 13:12:47 UTC  

What will remain is still humanity, not biological humanity, but humanity nevertheless.

2017-07-30 13:12:47 UTC  

simple example, picking a shirt to put on, how is that not a choice in free will?

2017-07-30 13:13:12 UTC  

Basically because an alternative was never possible.

2017-07-30 13:13:18 UTC  

Science.

2017-07-30 13:13:18 UTC  

why not?

2017-07-30 13:13:30 UTC  

Because only one reality manifests.

2017-07-30 13:13:37 UTC  

It's not falsifiable.

2017-07-30 13:13:48 UTC  

See this is why it's a meme

2017-07-30 13:14:00 UTC  

Why a meme?

2017-07-30 13:14:09 UTC  

No way to prove it and no impact at all if it's true

2017-07-30 13:14:32 UTC  

Yes, free will is like God, a fantasy of human optimism.

2017-07-30 13:14:41 UTC  

It's just as much of a meme as simulation theory

2017-07-30 13:14:51 UTC  

No.

2017-07-30 13:14:51 UTC  

we're in a dream maynee

2017-07-30 13:15:04 UTC  

Simulation requires strict logic.

2017-07-30 13:15:17 UTC  

God is just fantasy, non falsifiable.

2017-07-30 13:15:28 UTC  

I'm not talking about determinism, it's the most boring subject ever

2017-07-30 13:15:33 UTC  

"Because only one reality manifests."
But it was chosen

2017-07-30 13:15:42 UTC  

Yes, and?

2017-07-30 13:16:02 UTC  

How do you know the alternative wasn't possible

2017-07-30 13:16:05 UTC  

>implying that you can logically prove whether you live in a simulation or not

2017-07-30 13:16:24 UTC  

You can, actually. Shall we?

2017-07-30 13:16:33 UTC  

Sure

2017-07-30 13:17:05 UTC  

You still technically choose that reality as well

2017-07-30 13:17:19 UTC  

The basis of simulation theory is bases on the fact that in the future humans may achieve a technology able to recreate the past.

2017-07-30 13:17:24 UTC  

That's the first premise.

2017-07-30 13:17:50 UTC  

You shoudl read Nick Bostrom.

2017-07-30 13:17:55 UTC  

>may achieve
How can it be a logical premise if it's speculation

2017-07-30 13:18:02 UTC  

Exactly.

2017-07-30 13:18:09 UTC  

It is based on probability.

2017-07-30 13:18:10 UTC  

If you use that as a premise everything that follows will be speculation

2017-07-30 13:18:31 UTC  

Strict logic has no room for speculation

2017-07-30 13:18:41 UTC  

*It is based on probability*

2017-07-30 13:18:49 UTC  

Welcome to logic

2017-07-30 13:18:56 UTC  

No premise is 100% known.

2017-07-30 13:19:04 UTC  

None.