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2017-07-07 11:19:26 UTC

the search for more and more profit is the problem

2017-07-07 11:19:42 UTC

The final stage of communism is stateless.

2017-07-07 11:19:52 UTC

it creates a vicious cycle of exploitation whether here or overseas, destruction of environment and bodies

2017-07-07 11:20:01 UTC

How does communism exist without the state

2017-07-07 11:20:19 UTC

so you have some Countries that are overpopulated because of their own mismanagement and what it is everyone elses burden to look after them and share resources with them ?

2017-07-07 11:20:47 UTC

the very definition of communism is the withering away of the state as marx and engels say, the interim before that goal is the dictatorship of the proletariat which granted led to disaster

2017-07-07 11:21:40 UTC

Marx never worked a day in his life and looked down on negroes

2017-07-07 11:22:09 UTC

But how does it exist without the state

2017-07-07 11:22:20 UTC

a Dictator

2017-07-07 11:22:38 UTC

Who redistributes

2017-07-07 11:22:52 UTC

@gronkt Marx worked plenty, intellectual labour is very difficult

2017-07-07 11:23:02 UTC

we have seen how it goes down many times already

2017-07-07 11:23:13 UTC

and he got paid peanuts for it, his legacy is huge and writings are pure genius

2017-07-07 11:23:34 UTC

Who redistributes? -.-

2017-07-07 11:23:53 UTC

it is idealistic and can never work

2017-07-07 11:23:59 UTC

the power of the people is all

2017-07-07 11:24:09 UTC

Ok

2017-07-07 11:24:11 UTC

I see

2017-07-07 11:24:12 UTC

people are greedy selfish lazy animals

2017-07-07 11:24:29 UTC

they are corruptable

2017-07-07 11:24:35 UTC

happens every time

2017-07-07 11:24:41 UTC

one can say that america in its early phases was one of the most successful communes since everything was decided by councils

2017-07-07 11:24:55 UTC

that was before big government and the civil war

2017-07-07 11:25:25 UTC

They do work until they get attacked...

2017-07-07 11:25:34 UTC

lol

2017-07-07 11:25:37 UTC

America was ancap

2017-07-07 11:25:55 UTC

no it wasnt ancap because capitalist was in its early phases

2017-07-07 11:26:00 UTC

Built on self starters

2017-07-07 11:26:50 UTC

there is nothin wrong with self starters, but having an advantage like the americans or australians where your given land is not really ancap, that is communism

2017-07-07 11:26:52 UTC

If you're sharing stuff with your family it's not communism

2017-07-07 11:27:01 UTC

Which was all America back then

2017-07-07 11:27:07 UTC

yes but if you also share with community it is

2017-07-07 11:27:18 UTC

bartering local trade

2017-07-07 11:27:25 UTC

Most communities back then were related to each other

2017-07-07 11:27:31 UTC

decentralised everything is communism

2017-07-07 11:27:36 UTC

so it is possible for a nation but not for the whole planet

2017-07-07 11:27:46 UTC

then it becomes the NWO

2017-07-07 11:28:08 UTC

i think federalisation within nations and maintain trade on a planetary scale idealistic but possible

2017-07-07 11:28:24 UTC

It's possible

2017-07-07 11:28:29 UTC

yes i agree i hate th idea of any nwo world governemnt

2017-07-07 11:28:33 UTC

But retarded

2017-07-07 11:28:45 UTC

hahah perhaps time will tell

2017-07-07 11:28:48 UTC

Why would you want the world's economies tied together?

2017-07-07 11:29:06 UTC

trade is necessary for a good life

2017-07-07 11:29:12 UTC

why should one Country that worked it arse of mining resources just share them with another Country that has nothing and did no work to better themselves ?

2017-07-07 11:29:36 UTC

plus all knowledge and technical advancement relies on sharing, localism is anathema to knowledge growth

2017-07-07 11:30:16 UTC

Hmm

2017-07-07 11:30:26 UTC

youre talking about a national spirit, as though the collective owns anything

2017-07-07 11:30:55 UTC

There's really only one kind of national spirit and that's ethnic

2017-07-07 11:30:57 UTC

i dont sacrifice myself for my country, in fact, i dont want the ideology of sacrifice for anyone or anything, that is for me to decide

2017-07-07 11:31:19 UTC

Then can you say you're truly living for anything?

2017-07-07 11:31:42 UTC

wel the people of that Nation should share in the profits of the resources of that Country which is where socialism comes in

2017-07-07 11:31:56 UTC

access to health and education

2017-07-07 11:32:00 UTC

i can take on any philosopht, epicurean, stoic, buddhist, christian, yes i can sacrifice to realise my spiritual potential, or artistic potential etc

2017-07-07 11:32:16 UTC

but i will not sacrifice for some imagines nation

2017-07-07 11:32:46 UTC

culture and tradition is important but all the greatest individual growth will also come from antagomism with it

2017-07-07 11:33:07 UTC

Why do you say that

2017-07-07 11:33:31 UTC

look at Sweden now, they should not be burdened with the people of Africa and the Middle East to the point that they lose their own culture

2017-07-07 11:33:33 UTC

Are you orthodox @gronkt

2017-07-07 11:33:40 UTC

it is a form of genocide

2017-07-07 11:34:15 UTC

no I am Agnostic

2017-07-07 11:34:21 UTC

i can see the merit of this argument, but this Malthus not Marx. Population growth and expansion is a problem of global capital as well, not ideology

2017-07-07 11:34:26 UTC

It is how colonization begins

2017-07-07 11:35:18 UTC

Someone doesn't like white people and they're looking for ways to destroy them.

2017-07-07 11:35:22 UTC

Not sure who it is

2017-07-07 11:35:23 UTC

and in fact, capital which wants profit from war has created untold numbers of refugees. make the poor countries rich and no one will want to leave

2017-07-07 11:35:28 UTC

But it's pretty obvious

2017-07-07 11:36:06 UTC

africa can be developed, and the west has to help fast otherwise more shit will hit the fan

2017-07-07 11:36:37 UTC

If Africa is shit without intervention it should stay shit

2017-07-07 11:36:49 UTC

No one needs to help them

2017-07-07 11:36:58 UTC

Or should feel compelled to

2017-07-07 11:37:01 UTC

thats not feasible because their shit already is your shit

2017-07-07 11:37:03 UTC

Isn't a lot of the conflict in Africa due to how poorly drawn the borders are?

2017-07-07 11:37:11 UTC

Which was due to imperialism

2017-07-07 11:37:13 UTC

the world already is a global world

2017-07-07 11:37:22 UTC

Nah

2017-07-07 11:37:43 UTC

Goes back to Cecil B Rhodes who was funded by the Rothschilds

2017-07-07 11:37:55 UTC

same cunts doing the Globalism now

2017-07-07 11:38:48 UTC

africa had a chance with a state socialism style system in the 60s and 70s--it could have worked to bring them up to speed with western capitalism, but cia and other imperialists did not let history play out

2017-07-07 11:39:37 UTC

cia are henchmen of the globalists

2017-07-07 11:39:38 UTC

neocolonialism is a sadder history than colonialism, so many things go wrong with a too rapid development

2017-07-07 11:39:41 UTC

nato UN

2017-07-07 11:39:46 UTC

all the same shit

2017-07-07 11:40:39 UTC

Countries should just leave eachother alone.

2017-07-07 11:40:39 UTC

UN has some good points but there is a danger it could become the spokeman of global capital in the future, so i cant trust its motives either

2017-07-07 11:40:41 UTC

Rothschilds funded Bolsheviks to cripple Russia

2017-07-07 11:40:59 UTC

How? Russia became a world superpower

2017-07-07 11:41:34 UTC

it is all a game to these people and communism and capitalism are just different tools they use for the same agenda

2017-07-07 11:41:43 UTC

i think people exaggerate the role money played in the russian revolution

2017-07-07 11:42:10 UTC

it was because the Tzar rejected a Central bank

2017-07-07 11:42:36 UTC

you seem to have a cabal view of history--i think the cabal view obscures the deeper systemic nature of the disease, which is the profit motive

2017-07-07 11:43:09 UTC

Are you talking about (((them)))?

2017-07-07 11:43:18 UTC

facts are facts, all of this is documented

2017-07-07 11:43:40 UTC

Antony Sutton has lots of books and videos on this

2017-07-07 11:44:18 UTC

it is documented but unless mainstream history accepts it it is conspiracy theory

2017-07-07 11:44:29 UTC

Ruling families of Europe

2017-07-07 11:44:59 UTC

history is a vexed way to approach politics anyway since facts are not facts but interpretations--always

2017-07-07 11:45:08 UTC

well it is dismissed as conspiracy but Antony Sutton is a respected researcher that worked for the government

2017-07-07 11:45:23 UTC

not some alex jones, icke nonsense

2017-07-07 11:45:44 UTC

david icke hahaha that guy is literally on another planet

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