the state under capitalism is violent, only sometimes that violence comes out in other ways, like wars overseas. follow the trail of property and money

Idiot, capitalism isn't coercive! People have a choice! Work or starve! Its not coercion because they have a choice!

exactly capitalism is inherently exploitative and forces every to become a blood sucker

like nobody is saying capitalism isn't corrupt and needs improving, I am against destroying society and starting again with a new belief system that has been proven to fail on many occasions

The proletariat belongs at the bottom :p subservient to their masters as they usually choose that fate of their own volition when faced with the prospects of revolution

not really, one has to understand the force of history, the spirit as hegel would say

Listening

the proletariat might have had its time, but the contradiction between capital and labour persists

labour has not fulfilled its potential, either in the ussr or under liberalism

the communist idea persists because it is the idea of emancipation from thraldom to the cash nexus

the problem is monopolies that stop a competative market and corporations using 3rd World Countries for slave labour

You can accomplish the same thing with anarchy tho

Better than communism

the offshoring of labour is a problem but the search for profits is a capitalist problem

if employees are paid fairly there is no problem with it

i am anarchocommunist so i am communist without the state, which is what marx and engels were when they weren't playing politics

the search for more and more profit is the problem

The final stage of communism is stateless.

it creates a vicious cycle of exploitation whether here or overseas, destruction of environment and bodies

How does communism exist without the state

so you have some Countries that are overpopulated because of their own mismanagement and what it is everyone elses burden to look after them and share resources with them ?

the very definition of communism is the withering away of the state as marx and engels say, the interim before that goal is the dictatorship of the proletariat which granted led to disaster

Marx never worked a day in his life and looked down on negroes

But how does it exist without the state

a Dictator

Who redistributes

@gronkt Marx worked plenty, intellectual labour is very difficult

we have seen how it goes down many times already

and he got paid peanuts for it, his legacy is huge and writings are pure genius

Who redistributes? -.-

it is idealistic and can never work

the power of the people is all

Ok

I see

people are greedy selfish lazy animals

they are corruptable

happens every time

one can say that america in its early phases was one of the most successful communes since everything was decided by councils

that was before big government and the civil war

They do work until they get attacked...

lol