Message from @gronkt

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2017-07-07 11:16:22 UTC  

the proletariat might have had its time, but the contradiction between capital and labour persists

2017-07-07 11:16:45 UTC  

labour has not fulfilled its potential, either in the ussr or under liberalism

2017-07-07 11:17:19 UTC  

the communist idea persists because it is the idea of emancipation from thraldom to the cash nexus

2017-07-07 11:17:37 UTC  

the problem is monopolies that stop a competative market and corporations using 3rd World Countries for slave labour

2017-07-07 11:17:49 UTC  

You can accomplish the same thing with anarchy tho

2017-07-07 11:17:58 UTC  

Better than communism

2017-07-07 11:18:07 UTC  

the offshoring of labour is a problem but the search for profits is a capitalist problem

2017-07-07 11:18:41 UTC  

if employees are paid fairly there is no problem with it

2017-07-07 11:18:54 UTC  

i am anarchocommunist so i am communist without the state, which is what marx and engels were when they weren't playing politics

2017-07-07 11:19:26 UTC  

the search for more and more profit is the problem

2017-07-07 11:19:42 UTC  

The final stage of communism is stateless.

2017-07-07 11:19:52 UTC  

it creates a vicious cycle of exploitation whether here or overseas, destruction of environment and bodies

2017-07-07 11:20:01 UTC  

How does communism exist without the state

2017-07-07 11:20:19 UTC  

so you have some Countries that are overpopulated because of their own mismanagement and what it is everyone elses burden to look after them and share resources with them ?

2017-07-07 11:20:47 UTC  

the very definition of communism is the withering away of the state as marx and engels say, the interim before that goal is the dictatorship of the proletariat which granted led to disaster

2017-07-07 11:21:40 UTC  

Marx never worked a day in his life and looked down on negroes

2017-07-07 11:22:09 UTC  

But how does it exist without the state

2017-07-07 11:22:20 UTC  

a Dictator

2017-07-07 11:22:38 UTC  

Who redistributes

2017-07-07 11:22:52 UTC  

@gronkt Marx worked plenty, intellectual labour is very difficult

2017-07-07 11:23:02 UTC  

we have seen how it goes down many times already

2017-07-07 11:23:13 UTC  

and he got paid peanuts for it, his legacy is huge and writings are pure genius

2017-07-07 11:23:34 UTC  

Who redistributes? -.-

2017-07-07 11:23:53 UTC  

it is idealistic and can never work

2017-07-07 11:23:59 UTC  

the power of the people is all

2017-07-07 11:24:09 UTC  

Ok

2017-07-07 11:24:11 UTC  

I see

2017-07-07 11:24:12 UTC  

people are greedy selfish lazy animals

2017-07-07 11:24:29 UTC  

they are corruptable

2017-07-07 11:24:35 UTC  

happens every time

2017-07-07 11:24:41 UTC  

one can say that america in its early phases was one of the most successful communes since everything was decided by councils

2017-07-07 11:24:55 UTC  

that was before big government and the civil war

2017-07-07 11:25:25 UTC  

They do work until they get attacked...

2017-07-07 11:25:34 UTC  

lol

2017-07-07 11:25:37 UTC  

America was ancap

2017-07-07 11:25:55 UTC  

no it wasnt ancap because capitalist was in its early phases

2017-07-07 11:26:00 UTC  

Built on self starters

2017-07-07 11:26:50 UTC  

there is nothin wrong with self starters, but having an advantage like the americans or australians where your given land is not really ancap, that is communism

2017-07-07 11:26:52 UTC  

If you're sharing stuff with your family it's not communism

2017-07-07 11:27:01 UTC  

Which was all America back then

2017-07-07 11:27:07 UTC  

yes but if you also share with community it is